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Apple Continues Work on First Leopard Update (10.5.1 Build 9B16)

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Can't wait for the .1 update. Installed Leopard but the issues forced me back to Tiger.

Issues:

Connections to SMB shares was broken. i.e. SMB://servername/share Under Leopard, those connections were being routed over the internet as if the servername was a URL. The workaround was to use the lan IP address for the server, but I use my MPB on assorted networks where getting IPs is not practical. It's all done by the machine name.

But that's OK. I could almost live with that bug, except once I got shares working, trying to copy files from a network share was dial-up slow. Small files were taking forever. Movies and music? Forget it. Totally unusable. Others have reported this same issue and the alleged fix involves making IPv6 changes on the Mac (er, ok...) and on the Windows server (right, like clients are going to LET me go do around reconfiguring all the servers to work with my MBP).

What happened to "It just works"??? It did and does work under Tiger.

Also, Leopard's help menu was broken. Click help. Wait a moment for it to load, and it closes itself. Try again. Same thing. Minor issue to be sure but disconcerting.

On the plus side, I was happier with Leopard's resource management. Memory and CPU use at idle seemed better. Apps loaded faster. Second Life ran cooler. Dashboard didn't appear to load until or unless I actually wanted to use it. Space was nice.

Eager to see what the point release brings....
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Did you do an upgrade install or Archive install? I find that most Leopard issues could be fixed with an Archive install.
 
psychofreak said:
Not all PPC users don't get the menubar...
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just goes to show that if the only valid reason :apple: would have to try and force us all to use the annoying translucent menu bar is to force consistency on EVERY mac to keep up their 'image',aka whenever you see it you think of :apple:
EXCEPT
that is inconsistent in itself.an option to turn off the ugliness wouldnt cause any more or less inconsistency then is already there and will be there for years.all it'll do is piss off users like me that hate it and are getting VERY sick of the increasing lockdown on customization to an almost imperialistic level
if they keep this up I wouldnt be surprised if in 10.6 or 10.7 that you cant even customize your icons because it would be more inconsistent with the apple-god
 
motulist said:
I think most people wouldn't consider simply putting a bug onto a list called 'fix in .1 update' as constituting 'working on the .1 update.'
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Sorry not to have spelled it out, but "putting a bug on a list" usually means that the developers responsible for that component are assigned to work on a fix for the bug.

Of course, the developers who "own" some class B bugs (fix in 10.5.1) might also own some class A bugs (gotta fix for GM), so not all of them immediately start to work on 10.5.1.

You don't ship the .1 update a couple of weeks after release unless you've been working on the problems.
 
motulist said:
I think most people wouldn't consider simply putting a bug onto a list called 'fix in .1 update' as constituting 'working on the .1 update.'
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No, but concurrent development would... As reduce critical bugs, the development workload decreases while the test load increases. Testing is usually a different group of individuals, which leaves the developers free to start working on the next thing. The code is branched so the release isn't touched, and work begins on the next point release.
 
If they could stop my aluminum iMac from freezing

It would be a BIG help. Now at least once a day it freezes up solid!:mad:
 
It seems that Apple is not classifying the lack of menu bar translucence as a bug. This despite a support rep telling me a couple weeks ago that it is a bug and scheduled to be fixed in 10.5.1.

The support doc, updated November 6, sheds new light on this. Interestingly, the original support doc, from October 30, stated that all graphics cards compatible with Core Image will display the translucent menu bar. The revision now makes it a point to specifically exclude the GeForce FX 5200 as it supposedly isn't capable of certain OpenGL Core Image calls.

I have since called Apple Support again to gain further clarification; this time, the support rep merely read the aforementioned document to me.

Admittedly, I lack the technical proficience to be certain of this, but Apple's claim in the support doc seems dubious to me. Can anyone shed some light on this, particularly in regard to whether a driver bug may be to blame, or is this card just topped out?
 
brepublican said:
I think that its most PPC users and only a few Intel Macs. But this also just reinforces Analog Kid's assertion that this is actually a bug
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No, the people who don't get the transparent menubar are people who have machines with graphics cards with the words "GeForce" and "5200" in them. I have a 1.8Ghz Dual G5 that clearly has the horsepower and graphics capability to do menubar transparency (after all, it does menu transparency!) that has the solid grey menubar.

This is a bug, its got nothing to do with "not having a powerful enough graphics card". There isn't a Mac available that officially supports Leopard who's GFX card can't do a simple transparency/blur on a static background.
 
Maniamac said:
Admittedly, I lack the technical proficience to be certain of this, but Apple's claim in the support doc seems dubious to me.
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I agree, if Apple is blaming this on the GFX card that is extremely its dubious. If the menus can do the transparent/blur thing, why not the menubar? I mean, the background to a menubar is static, so you could easily do the Leopard effect in software, let alone with a fancy GFX card. Apple's fancy new OpenGL implementation is supposed to handle the deficiencies of a GFX card after all.

Maybe they just don't care about people with old Macs enough to bother fixing it? ;)
 
dr_lha said:
I agree, if Apple is blaming this on the GFX card that is extremely its dubious. If the menus can do the transparent/blur thing, why not the menubar? I mean, the background to a menubar is static, so you could easily do the Leopard effect in software, let alone with a fancy GFX card. Apple's fancy new OpenGL implementation is supposed to handle the deficiencies of a GFX card after all.

Maybe they just don't care about people with old Macs enough to bother fixing it? ;)
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I dunno. Seems like a strange place to put a switch in the code just for the purpose of irritating a few people. I suppose it's possible that there's a bug such as including the GFX 5200 in the wrong branch of the switch, but I think it's more likely that there is in fact a limitation with that card.

Just pulling this out of my ass, but perhaps it has to do with the automatic calculation of the transparency? Are they using a custom shader for that? Maybe the problem is with the extreme aspect ratio of the menu bar?

I agree that a workaround would be to draw it once, since it is relatively static, but there must be a reason that they don't do that as a matter of course. Maybe it has to do with the text and icons that get drawn onto it?

No matter how I slice it though, I have a hard time finding a conspiracy...
 
akac said:
Did you do an upgrade install or Archive install? I find that most Leopard issues could be fixed with an Archive install.
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That was one of the funny things, now that you mention it. It never asked me how I wanted to do the install; it did it as an upgrade-in-place all on its own.

I was waiting to be prompted or asked but that never happened. It did give me the "customize" options for languages and such, but I believe that was the only thing it asked.

Thought about doing a bare drive install but ran out of time to redo it. By the time I have time again after the holiday, the point release might be out so I'll just wait and see. Tiger has been plenty good to me so I can happily wait for Leopard a little longer.
 
I hope they change the transparent menu bar, stacks behaviour [I need a rightclick! scrolling would be nice too], I would also like to be able to move / reorder Finder window side dock elements [devices, shares etc], new folder icons would be nice, iSync fixes, crashing apps fixes, compatibility fixes.... apple, bring a lots of fixes! :)
 
Analog Kid said:
I dunno. Seems like a strange place to put a switch in the code just for the purpose of irritating a few people. I suppose it's possible that there's a bug such as including the GFX 5200 in the wrong branch of the switch, but I think it's more likely that there is in fact a limitation with that card.

Just pulling this out of my ass, but perhaps it has to do with the automatic calculation of the transparency? Are they using a custom shader for that? Maybe the problem is with the extreme aspect ratio of the menu bar?

I agree that a workaround would be to draw it once, since it is relatively static, but there must be a reason that they don't do that as a matter of course. Maybe it has to do with the text and icons that get drawn onto it?

No matter how I slice it though, I have a hard time finding a conspiracy...
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I don't think you are getting the whole picture. I have a G5 with a X800 XT driving a 30" Cinema display. At native res (dual link DVI-D) I get no transparent menu bar and glitches maximizing from the dock and full screen quicktime tears.

The minute I lower the resolution one notch (not a dual link signal anymore) the problems go away. This is clearly a software bug.

All other core image OS effects are Leopard normal at native res and below.

-mark
 
lamina said:
I thought I was crazy! It only happens once in a while, but I thought it was just a figment of my imagination. Good to know I'm not alone.

PS: I say .1 drops within the next few days, if not today or tomorrow.
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yea same here, altho i don't run into it all of the time but it does get rather annoying after wile

i just had my first crash with safari in Leopard a few minutes ago, this is the first time anything has crashed in Leopard for me
 
Relaunching Finder

I hope that 10.5.1 fixes the issue that causes my hard drive to show up twice in finder.

The only way to fix this is to relaunch finder.

Kind of special that i have to relaunch the finder every time i boot up.

Airport fixes are welcome and bluetooth stability too.

Otherwise , I'm quite happy with Leopard
 
I hope this fixes the airport issues I've had. 90% of the time it won't even see my AirPort Express, and instead connect to my neighbors Linksys. :mad:
 
BRLawyer said:
The translucent bar looks great in my opinion as well; I don't know what the hell is all this fuzz about the menu bar...it's almost a non-issue for any normal user out there.
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The problem is it is now dependent on your background image. I used the Earth Hurricane background image and it looks great. If I used the leafs background images it look OK until I run an Application that uses External Control Boxes, Such as Photoshop and Office X. Then it looks really out of place.
 
As a fellow early adopter of Leopard. I would like to make a note, getting all angry and annoyed that there are a bunch of bugs in Leopard shouldn't be a surprise it is what happens after every new 10.x.0 release. Yes report the bugs and try to get them fixed. But don't go all crazy because things don't work. If you want a stable System you should have stayed with Tiger until say 10.5.3 or so. Going OMG New OS Releasing it is going to be excellent you are just fooling yourself.
 
jellomizer said:
The problem is it is now dependent on your background image. I used the Earth Hurricane background image and it looks great. If I used the leafs background images it look OK until I run an Application that uses External Control Boxes, Such as Photoshop and Office X. Then it looks really out of place.
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if anybody hates the dock they should dl the dockdoctor widget that puts it back into 2d :apple:
 
lamina said:
I thought I was crazy! It only happens once in a while, but I thought it was just a figment of my imagination. Good to know I'm not alone.

PS: I say .1 drops within the next few days, if not today or tomorrow.
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You are not crazy. That thread has been watched over 10.000 times. That must be close to a record. Please read it through and file a bugreport to Apple. The more people that do so the faster Apple will address the problem.
 
I'm glad to see they're on top of this. iPhone updates are great and all, but these things are sorely needed.
 
Baron58 said:
Uh, hello? Time Machine? Main reason why I wanted 10.5 so much. SuperDuper! is history!
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SuperDuper is far from history. Have fun waiting for hours while Time Machine restores to a new drive, while I simply boot from my SuperDuper backup.
 
EricNau said:
I wouldn't be surprised if 10.4.11 was delayed; fixing all of the bugs in Leopard is a higher priority for Apple right now.
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WITH 10.4.11 CONSTANTLY BEING READY TO RELEASE "ANY MOMENT" since August, I cant imagine what more they could do.
It will fix a couple small bugs I have.

Sounding like Leopard is a near beta disaster for a larger than normal number of people and some unforgivable software/architecture goofs, Ill wait until 10.5.2
 
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