Apple Continuing Work on M2 Chip With Help From Samsung

[antiprotest]

Could Apple sell a Mac and Iphone in the same box, every September, to save the planet?

Eventually, they will take your money and give you no product at all. You buy the idea of a Mac or iPhone. Most environmentally friendly.

 

[ArrayDecay]

I want my Mac Mini Ball Grid Array M2 Pro with 32GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.

 

[EugW]

I want my Mac Mini Ball Grid Array M2 Pro with 32GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.

Just give me 6 USB ports without making me buy a Mac Studio, and I won't care if it's M2, M1 Pro, or M2 Pro.

 

[saulinpa]

Real news would be if Apple was abandoning the BGA style of chip mounting.

 

[apparatchik]

Sue, sue, sue AND partner, partner, partner... at the SAME time.

• Where the partner seems competitive, SUE.
• Where the defendant offers cost or tech advantage/reliability/margin boost, PARTNER!
• Where there is a bit of both, sue and partner.

I wonder if the legal fees in the battles get offset by the extra gains in cooperative collaborations, where the net payment of actual cash works out to like $1.98 or something like that?

I wonder if those employees with a foot in both adversary and partnering worlds ever have to flip flop their working relationship in the same meetings/visits? "We will sue you to oblivion! See you in court (again)! ... Now are you able to make this part for us for at least 3 cents less than this other supplier? Yes? Great. We want to order 60 million of them from you."

Just like Europe (Germany) sanctioning Russia while sending them billions to sustain the invasion

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Eventually, they will take your money and give you no product at all. You buy the idea of a Mac or iPhone. Most environmentally friendly.

An NFT of a picture of a Mac or iPhone. NFTs already sell well. Margin is obviously well beyond Apple Inc. targets. How long until we can buy an NFT of a picture of a $20 handkerchief or a picture of $600 wheels?

 

[NT1440]

This isn’t possible if M2’s are coming this year. They should already in some stage of actual production if they’re being announced at WWDC, even if they’re not going to ship until the holidays (which I don’t believe is the case).

 

[cb3]

Will M2 kill M1 sales??? OR is it a different kinds of chip? More efficient, lower heat / power but not necessarily faster that M1?

 

[svish]

Not surprised to hear about Samsung’s involvement. Samsung does supply display for iPhone.

 

[jdb8167]

Will M2 kill M1 sales??? OR is it a different kinds of chip? More efficient, lower heat / power but not necessarily faster that M1?

The plain M2 is likely a one-to-one replacement for the M1. Probably a somewhat more efficient SoC with a modest performance improvement. If the A15 is the model, I’d expect more from the GPU than the CPU.

 

[cb3]

The plain M2 is likely a one-to-one replacement for the M1. Probably a somewhat more efficient SoC with a modest performance improvement. If the A15 is the model, I’d expect more from the GPU than the CPU.

Thats what I was wondering about - A15 model - more efficient.

 

[_Spinn_]

Looking forward to the M2 announcement. If the M2 is announced towards the end of the year I assume it will be based off the upcoming A16?

 

[IIGS User]

Well, litigation is the USA's favourite national sport.

Shucks,

And here I thought it was blaming others for your woes.

Which seems to be rampant here in the US.

 

[AgeOfSpiracles]

This is a weird title. They are providing the BGA, something they do for lots of manufacturers. This has nothing to do with the M2 other than hey, the M2 is a 'chip'.

I'm helping! I'm helping!

 

[DeepIn2U]

Apple is probably Samsung’s biggest client. It looks like the transition to the Apple Silicon Chip is going smooth.

Apple most definitely IS Samsungs biggest client by orders & revenue. Has been for over a decade.

I don’t like the idea of Apple working with Samsung for chip fabrication because Samsung will learn and pretty much use all secrets learned. They’ve already done so with OLED after the iPhone X to improve their own OLED design.

 

[imnotthewalrus]

this is why fanboyism is stupid. these huge companies don't give a **** about you defending them on the internet. apple + samsung get on fine with each other.

i'm looking forward to M2. not that i can ****ing afford any of Apple's Macs. at best i'll pick up an iPad with one in it to replace my M1 iPad

I just bought a refurb M1 MacBook Air for $850 from the Apple Store as my 2015 MBP bit the dust. I am thrilled with it, and you could afford it if you could afford an iPad Pro with M1 (or newer when they come). Just sayin'...

 

[acorntoy]

I'm sure Apple began developing M2 long before the M1 was publicly introduced.


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Samsung has been producing their own chips for many, many years. In fact, the first iPhones used Samsung CPUs.

The weird thing is they don’t seem to have gotten much better at it (vs the pace the rest of the industry progresses at) Exynos is the B chip compared to Qualcomm and every year gets trashed as the worse chip.

How has Apple leapfrogged the industry in half the time while Samsung has barely remained competitive?

 

[ZZ9pluralZalpha]

“Apple Continuing Work on M2 Chip With Help From Monsanto [who supplied the seeds for some of the grains that went into the crust of the pizzas the Apple Park Cafe is featuring on Thursdays this month]”

 

[mabhatter]

I knew it was a Samsung FC-BGA when I saw the square corners on the chip, otherwise they'd have to pay Apple a patent royalty to use rounded corners

They're called Squircles!

 

[EvilEvil]

LOL. I thought Apple wanted to make all their chips in-house and not have to work with 3rd party companies like Samsung.

 

[NT1440]

LOL. I thought Apple wanted to make all their chips in-house and not have to work with 3rd party companies like Samsung.

The chip is entirely designed in house. Manufacturing it is not, that’s all Samsung is involved in here, and only one specific element of the manufacturing process.

 

[CarlJ]

Yeah “help from” is a rather odd framing. They’re just one of the many component manufacturers.

Next we'll be highlighting the company that makes the plastic resin that they form over the top of the chip.

 

[TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️]

Apple most definitely IS Samsungs biggest client by orders & revenue. Has been for over a decade.

I don’t like the idea of Apple working with Samsung for chip fabrication because Samsung will learn and pretty much use all secrets learned. They’ve already done so with OLED after the iPhone X to improve their own OLED design.

I agree. I'm surprised why Apple has not started manufacturing in-house chips for the iPhone. Imagine how much money they will save. You are talking in billions!

 

[Chaos123x]

Isn't a ball array the cheapest and most crappy way to attach a chip to a circuit board? No pins no socket, just little balls of solder holding the chip on.

Isn't this want video game console manufacturers use to do? That caused issues like the red ring of death?

 

[EugW]

Isn't a ball array the cheapest and most crappy way to attach a chip to a circuit board? No pins no socket, just little balls of solder holding the chip on.

Isn't this want video game console manufacturers use to do? That caused issues like the red ring of death?

Red ring of death was caused by crappy manufacturing combined with overheating components.