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Apple Corps lose lawsuit against Apple Computer

dornoforpyros said:
damn....will we ever see The Beatles on iTunes?
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I give it 6 months after the appeal(s) ends. Corps will release the catalogue to Napster/MSN/et al., see minimal sales and wise up.

Or Steve might use the RDF to convince them that the appeals process will only add the cost that they owe and offer them a sweet multi-million dollar exclusive contract. This is probably happening right now.
 
bigandy said:
What a generalisation, eh?

US lawyers have a reputation for being cash grabbing slimy gits who'll do anything possible in courts - probably because of their tv/film portrayl. Now I grew up down in England, where my mother and father are both lawyers in their own firm, and they, and every laywer I met during my five year employment there and visiting conferences, are nothing of the sort. I absolutely hate this generalisation, and have no time for the small minded idiots who think they're all the same.

Think before you open your mouth, and then, don't bother.
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Take it easy, I am a lawyer too (but NOT American)...the biggest problem is in the U.S. with its frivolous lawsuit system that allows everyone to sue for nothing, without expecting any procedural punishment or reversal of legal fees...it's also a problem of mentality, since people in the U.S. are unable nowadays to admit their own mistakes or stupidity (just look at their government and the institutionalized lies)...their legal system is so market-driven that they just prefer to sue, it's much easier.

I remember seeing the following law firm outdoor when driving in Florida: "Fell off the stairs? Call us!"; such ad would be simply forbidden in Brazil for lack of ethics...

Brazil, Europe and most legal systems have little to do with that crap.

For the unbelievers out there, please check out www.stellaawards.com for a great showroom of oportunists in the U.S.
 
bigandy said:
What a generalisation, eh?

US lawyers have a reputation for being cash grabbing slimy gits who'll do anything possible in courts - probably because of their tv/film portrayl. Now I grew up down in England, where my mother and father are both lawyers in their own firm, and they, and every laywer I met during my five year employment there and visiting conferences, are nothing of the sort. I absolutely hate this generalisation, and have no time for the small minded idiots who think they're all the same.

Think before you open your mouth, and then, don't bother.
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My Brother-In-Law is a lawyer who stole $12,000 of my money through legal mumbo jumbo. I'm entitled to my opinion!! As do you.... DON"T CALL ME AN IDIOT... I'm sure there a many on this board who feel the same as I do!!
Generalization? Indeed. I agree there. The sky can be many colors, but MOST of the time it's blue!!!!!!!!!!
 
BRLawyer said:
Take it easy, I am a lawyer too (but NOT American)...the biggest problem is in the U.S. with its frivolous lawsuit system that allows everyone to sue for nothing, without expecting any procedural punishment or reversal of legal fees...it's also a problem of mentality, since people in the U.S. are unable nowadays to admit their own mistakes or stupidity (just look at their government and the institutionalized lies)...their legal system is so market-driven that they just prefer to sue, it's much easier.

I remember seeing the following law firm outdoor when driving in Florida: "Fell off the stairs? Call us!"; such ad would be simply forbidden in Brazil for lack of ethics...

Brazil, Europe and most legal systems have little to do with that crap.

For the unbelievers out there, please check out www.stellaawards.com for a great showroom of oportunists in the U.S.
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While I am an American (and very proud of that), I know court cases here are stupid. But, what is just as stupid in this post is your statement that people in the U.S. are unable to admit their wrongs, etc. NOT EVERYONE. I am sure there are people in England, Brazil, wherever that are like this as well.

I also love how people in foreign countries believe our government is a replica of all people all times in all their actions. While yes they are representatives, THEY ARE NOT US.

Get over the American are the most lazy, selfish, arrogant bastards. Those kinds of people are every where. Every where.
 
You know, I kept on thinking that this was a frivolous lawsuit brought on by greedy lawyers, but that was before learning that Apple Corps is obligated to pay Apple Computer's legal costs by law. I have to say, it's softened my stance a bit. It's still a money grab, but it's not as blatantly stupid as before.
 
BRLawyer said:
Take it easy, I am a lawyer too (but NOT American)...the biggest problem is in the U.S. with its frivolous lawsuit system that allows everyone to sue for nothing, without expecting any procedural punishment or reversal of legal fees...it's also a problem of mentality, since people in the U.S. are unable nowadays to admit their own mistakes or stupidity (just look at their government and the institutionalized lies)...their legal system is so market-driven that they just prefer to sue, it's much easier.

I remember seeing the following law firm outdoor when driving in Florida: "Fell off the stairs? Call us!"; such ad would be simply forbidden in Brazil for lack of ethics...

Brazil, Europe and most legal systems have little to do with that crap.

For the unbelievers out there, please check out www.stellaawards.com for a great showroom of oportunists in the U.S.
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Part of the problem with admitting your mistakes is that you get punished for it. Two people equally culpable in an accident. One was speeding, the other wasn't paying attention. The first one to say "oops" is dicked.

Yes there are a large number of ambulance chasers here. I'm related to couple of them, and yes they do have a tendency to exacerbate the problem of a litigious society. They are not the whole cause though.

Lawsuits have taken the role of interpersonal justice in America. Europe is far more regulated and inspected. Think about it like a game of basketball. Fouling happens. Some people say its part of the game. In America its playground rules, call your own fouls. Europe is more like a refereed game. Neither place is a pure example.

Americas strength is the ability to say "No harm, no foul." Something that lazy-a$$ people with a sense of entitlement are doing away with.
 
Sonofhaig said:
My Brother-In-Law is a lawyer who stole $12,000 of my money through legal mumbo jumbo. I'm entitled to my opinion!! As do you.... DON"T CALL ME AN IDIOT... I'm sure there a many on this board who feel the same as I do!!
Generalization? Indeed. I agree there. The sky can be many colors, but MOST of the time it's blue!!!!!!!!!!
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Boy, your Thanksgiving dinners must be a real blast. :D
 
I thought it could go either way easily (and with the appeal it still can one day). But I'm glad Apple won for now, and didn't settle either.

I'm sorry, but I simply have no difficulty remembering which one is the Beatles and which one is Apple :eek:
 
MacPhreak said:
That's bad news? It's a resounding "MEH" to me. If you're a Beatles fan, you've already got the discs. Why would you want to buy crippled, low-bitrate versions?
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I know a lot of middle age consumers who are put off using iTunes because they can't find everything they want on there. I know this argument is pointless, but if people would buy it and buy iPods to play it on, it should be on there.
 
Congrats Apple Computer!
Scr*w you Apple Corps!

I am happy to see Apple Corps losing it. They are just a bunch of old greed people trying desperate to make more money. It's amazing that all the royalties revenue that The Beatles generate still not enough to satisfy a company that has not done anything for so many years. Decades.
I hope this will teach them a lesson and The Beatles will join Itunes.
 
gugy said:
I am happy to see Apple Corps losing it. They are just a bunch of old greed people trying desperate to make more money. It's amazing that all the royalties revenue that The Beatles generate still not enough to satisfy a company that has not done anything for so many years. Decades.
I hope this will teach them a lesson and The Beatles will join Itunes.
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it's contract, they're equal greedy. Don't forget about that.
 
Sonofhaig said:
Generalization? Indeed. I agree there. The sky can be many colors, but MOST of the time it's blue!!!!!!!!!!
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Heeya, I like that. Made my day:rolleyes:
 
Sonofhaig said:
Generalization? Indeed. I agree there. The sky can be many colors, but MOST of the time it's blue!!!!!!!!!!
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You have obviously never lived in the North of England... :)
 
Eluon said:
While I am an American (and very proud of that), I know court cases here are stupid. But, what is just as stupid in this post is your statement that people in the U.S. are unable to admit their wrongs, etc. NOT EVERYONE. I am sure there are people in England, Brazil, wherever that are like this as well.

I also love how people in foreign countries believe our government is a replica of all people all times in all their actions. While yes they are representatives, THEY ARE NOT US.

Get over the American are the most lazy, selfish, arrogant bastards. Those kinds of people are every where. Every where.
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Sorry, Eluon, I was mainly referring to those that use the legal system in a frivolous way in the U.S. (which might be the majority or not, due to the above-mentioned widespread market-driven mentality)...and I DO hope that you oust those warmongers and criminals from the government...they really crush any good perception we can have about U.S. nationals.
 
steve_hill4 said:
I think this could be both good and bad news. Good news for obvious reasons, bad news as it may delay the Beatles back catalogue entering the iTMS. If indeed all that was requested was a removal of the Apple logo from the store, I can't see it having changed the store itself much.

Since they are going to appeal, I wouldn't expect any Apple Corps related music to appear on there for some time yet.
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See that is good news and better news to me, I don't like the beatles :p
I know it would be more money for Apple, but if Yoko, Paul, and Ringo were uncermoniously dumped on a small island where they could live out the rest of their lives away from any recording studio or transportation, I would be happier.

If there is anything worse than Wings, Yoko singing or Ringo singing, I have not heard it yet.


Q. What would it take to reunite the Beatles?
A. 2 more bullets :D


Conrats to Apple for winning this one, it seemed so stupid based on the last agreement.
 
bluebomberman said:
You know, I kept on thinking that this was a frivolous lawsuit brought on by greedy lawyers, but that was before learning that Apple Corps is obligated to pay Apple Computer's legal costs by law. I have to say, it's softened my stance a bit. It's still a money grab, but it's not as blatantly stupid as before.
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That's obvious, the lawsuit wasn't treated by a U.S. court, but a British one...
 
Peace said:
Apple Corp. must pay the legal fees of Apple Computer.About 2Million pounds.Apple Corp. offered 1.5M but Apple Computer refused it..
Steve Jobs now hopes The Beatles will come to iTunes but Apple Corp. said no way.

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=14575
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This is really what discourages a lot of opportunist civil cases in this country. If you bring the case and lose, not only must you pay for all your own fees, but you are required to pay for the accused side's fees too. It's like saying you must be sure your case is valid or you will financially be crippled.

I still don't think it is completely down to those Beatles and their estates though. Live 8 featured Paul McCartney and U2 performing Sgt. Peppers and within about 8 hours it was downloadable through the iTMS. Proceeds went to charity. If this was greed on their front, would they have also been callous enough to prevent this being released?
 
Judge right on all but one point.

Well, I actually read a lot of the ruling.


I think the judge was correct on all points, except the issue of Apple commissioning "exclusive" tracks. Most people know that Apple is just selling music made by other record companies.


A record company at heart "commissions" music, and then distribute it. Apple is doing the exact same-this goes beyond releasing "exclusive" material, it is in effective producing music. If artists come directly to Apple to put their content on ITMS (i.e. distribute) it is functionally the same as an artist getting paid to have its music distributed by the record company.
 
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