Apple Could Owe Millions for Off-the-Clock Employee Bag Searches in California

code-m

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Should get paid until the bag search is completed, that way there is a financial incentive for store managers to get it done as quickly as possible. 45 mins waiting does sound extreme, however I hope there was security video to protect both sides claim. If you clocked out that is when the company says all is good. Though many companies have this practise and should change the company policy.

I concur with another poster who was an employee and said these bag searches take a minute or less, not sure about this 45 mins wait time claim, was the person responsible for bag searches on lunch or something. Seems odd tbh.
 
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Appleman3546

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Very unique lawsuit, this interpretation could have the potential to move into other states
 

Lerxt

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Working conditions in the US can be so bad sometimes. This would be unheard of in most first world countries.
 
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CraigB1960

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Why? This is true in many industries. Can't bring in any personal electronic devices for security reasons. People who work counting cash and coins can't bring any money or even metal to work. Medical transcriptionists and bank call center workers can't bring any paper in or out of work.

Or safety reasons: bags can get caught in moving machinery or get sucked up by a jet engine. Or economic reasons, you drop it on a wing and make a $250k dent...
Same for prisons. No electronics, including smart watches and phone. All bags had to be clear plastic and go through an x-ray with employee going through metal detectors. But, with that said, we are just talking about Apple stores...
 

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Is anyone being forced to work at an Apple Store? No. Is anyone being forced to bring a bag to work? No. It might sound stupid the way these searches were/are being conducted, but nobody is being forced to do anything.
Typical response from some man who likely never worked a service-based job and can’t think beyond his own small, suburban world.

Never mind women, nor people living in dense cities, nor people with disabilities who need to carry more than a wallet in their back pocket all day.
 

Gameboy70

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Is anyone being forced to work at an Apple Store? No. Is anyone being forced to bring a bag to work? No. It might sound stupid the way these searches were/are being conducted, but nobody is being forced to do anything.
The court argues the opposite:
Applying a strictly textual analysis, Apple employees are clearly under Apple's control while awaiting, and during, the exit searches. Apple controls its employees during this time in several ways. First, Apple requires its employees to comply with the bag-search policy under threat of discipline, up to and including termination. Second, Apple confines its employees to the premises as they wait for and undergo an exit search. Third, Apple compels its employees to perform specific and supervised tasks while awaiting and during the search. This includes locating a manager or security guard and waiting for that person to become available, unzipping and opening all bags and packages, moving around items within a bag or package, removing any personal Apple technology devices for inspection, and providing a personal technology card for device verification.
Sounds like a lot of forcing going on.
 

code-m

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The thirstiness and absolute lack of taste.
Well I am willing to find out if it may work out between us, now do you have a name and contact information or are you just playing with my heart and emotions on Valentines Day!
 
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adib

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So no phones, no bags for feminine products, etc is the way Apple thinks it should be? Wow.

Imagine how badly they treat their Chinese workforce?
Technically, *a lot* of these "Chinese workforce" are not Apple's but Foxconn's..

That's the beauty of outsourcing :p

Maybe following this, Apple won't directly employ these store workers any more – opting for a "managed services" company instead thus shifting all labor-related risks to that company.
 

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So for everyone saying bag checking is wrong let me tel you this. I’ve worked at bestbuy for 5 years now and the stuff employees in the past have tried to steal or stolen is remarkable. Just last month AP caught a new hire trying to sneak a set of keys to locked up items.
 
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FlyingDutch

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As much as I love Apple, I absolutely agree with the sentence.
They want to check their employees, they have to do that during duty time. They have no rights to keep those people in the store ...
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The part about how they could simply force employees to not bring a bag at all is embarrassing
It is quite common in many places...
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So no phones, no bags for feminine products, etc is the way Apple thinks it should be? Wow.

Imagine how badly they treat their Chinese workforce?
They have very little “Chinese workforce “. Basically just Apple store employees.
The people you are referring to are Foxconn employees and they don’t work just on apple’s products.
 
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Shanghaichica

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Same for prisons. No electronics, including smart watches and phone. All bags had to be clear plastic and go through an x-ray with employee going through metal detectors. But, with that said, we are just talking about Apple stores...
It’s fair enough if you can’t bring it in but there is no excuses for waiting 45 minutes unpaid to be searched. I worked in a medium secure forensic hospital. It’s basically a psychiatric hospital for people that would otherwise be in prison if they did not have a mental illness. We were not allowed mobiles or any electronics and various other Items. We just left them in a locker at the start of the shift and then picked them up at the end. No waiting around to be searched. You go through an airlock with metal detectors in them.

The issue isn’t about being allowed to have the items or not. It’s about not being paid whilst waiting to be searched.
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Is anyone being forced to work at an Apple Store? No. Is anyone being forced to bring a bag to work? No. It might sound stupid the way these searches were/are being conducted, but nobody is being forced to do anything.
People need to carry bags for all sorts of reasons. What about if the employee is diabetic and needs to carry insulin with them or other important medications? Or it might be their lunch. Or women’s sanitary products?
 

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I only have two questions:

Q1. Name of the employee to the far right?

Q2. Contact information of the employee to the far right?

;)
She's my daughter and certainly not interested in your type 😡
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Very unique lawsuit, this interpretation could have the potential to move into other states
Hopefully it does.
 
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Steve121178

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Is anyone being forced to work at an Apple Store? No. Is anyone being forced to bring a bag to work? No. It might sound stupid the way these searches were/are being conducted, but nobody is being forced to do anything.
They are being forced to wait after their shift for nearly an hour and not being compensated.

If they skip bag checks then they are assumed to be a thief.
 

Brian Y

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As a few have said, this is perfectly normal for retail.

When I worked there, it was very loosely enforced though.
 

simonmet

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Don’t know these store managers even thought that’s legal. Wouldn’t fly in other countries.
 

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Why? This is true in many industries. Can't bring in any personal electronic devices for security reasons. People who work counting cash and coins can't bring any money or even metal to work. Medical transcriptionists and bank call center workers can't bring any paper in or out of work.

Or safety reasons: bags can get caught in moving machinery or get sucked up by a jet engine. Or economic reasons, you drop it on a wing and make a $250k dent...
These places have areas where you can store your belongings and change into required clothing. And if it has very high requirements there is a gate between the areas where you can get inspected. It's not like they ask medical staff to change into hazmat suits from home.