In those cases, there are change rooms or locker rooms. Just like in grade schools, you had locker rooms and lockers.
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Apple Could Owe Millions for Off-the-Clock Employee Bag Searches in California
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I only have two questions:
Q1. Name of the employee to the far right?
Q2. Contact information of the employee to the far right?
Please keep politics limited to appropriate threads.
I actually have, but I moved on because I didn’t care for it and wasn’t interested in working minimum/near minimum wage forever. My point seems to have gone over some people’s heads. This is America, where you can choose to quit and get another job if you aren’t happy and you won’t be punished for it. Additionally, the headline mentions long wait times, but where is the data?
Most electronics stores do this. When I worked at a Circuit City and Best Buy back in the day both did this if you brought a bag.
Not saying it's right, but I get why it's done.
The amount of time is not the key issue. Whether 45 minutes or 10 minutes, the employer should be paying the employee as the employer has required the employee to be on the company's premises and under the control of the company.
If the employee told the employer that starting tomorrow he will be leaving work 10 minutes early every day, you can be sure the employer will not pay him for those 10 minutes. So why should the employee work 10 minutes extra for no pay? These are not executive positions with an annual salary (where unpaid overtime is part of the deal), these are (as far as I know) positions with an hourly wage.
Technically, *a lot* of these "Chinese workforce" are not Apple's but Foxconn's..
That's the beauty of outsourcing
Maybe following this, Apple won't directly employ these store workers any more – opting for a "managed services" company instead thus shifting all labor-related risks to that company.
That’s how you lose quality control. Just shift to people who won’t complain. That’s the beauty of employment at will.
How’s the air up there on that pulpit. 🙄
the girl is beautiful.
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Can’t they make a small locker room for the employees to put their bags in, prior to the check station?
Best Buy had to pay up in a similar lawsuit about a decade ago. I got a nice check from them despite never being subjected to the bag searches.
So I guess you don’t need to recover much for time Apple stole from you. If time is money, then you’ve remained wealthier than the plaintiffs in this lawsuit.
I’ve worked at retail that did bag checks. At the end of the night it was less than a minute to check everyone’s bag and leave. I think in cases like that you don’t need to be paid. No ones forcing you to bring a bag. When you start to have to wait I think that changes though. Especially when you get over the 5 minute mark. You should have to pay your employees for that.
Lets get to the expensive part. I am not sure where the "time clock" in an Apple store is located but I can't imagine it is at or near the exit door. So in order to search employees and pay them for the time, they are going to have to put / move a time clock at the exit and have the search > clock out > exit procedure standardized. They can't let someone be searched, clock out and then walk across the facility floor to the exit, that defeats the purpose of the search.
NOW I could see Apple forcing you to put your personal effects in a locker and isolating the locker area and the exit from the rest of the back end of the store. Personal search takes place as you enter the locker area which would be significantly faster if it is only your person.
NOW I could see Apple forcing you to put your personal effects in a locker and isolating the locker area and the exit from the rest of the back end of the store. Personal search takes place as you enter the locker area which would be significantly faster if it is only your person.
I agree with you. My wife quit working in the prison system. She had to endure the searching and slow in-process each day, all without being paid. This amounted to 15 to 20 minutes daily of uncompensated time.
apple should close the retail stores
that being said
it is up to the individual employer if they make you wait a half hour to leave the premises. Some employers may let you leave quickly others make you wait. I can not say how the courts handled this discussion. Just thinking not difficult to prove either way.
that being said
it is up to the individual employer if they make you wait a half hour to leave the premises. Some employers may let you leave quickly others make you wait. I can not say how the courts handled this discussion. Just thinking not difficult to prove either way.
But those places have lockers. We are like that and no one ever gets searched. Does Apple have lockers in the back room, and just let employees come in that way?
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Exactly, how many can be leaving at the same time from an Apple Store? Problem must be not enough people with authority to search available. Need some better time management.
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It more of an issue of having to pay employees for it and having it not take freaking FORTY FIVE minutes.
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Yea why don't they just have a back employee entrance and lockers? And as far as the walking across the floor, it's no different than any other customer. They don't search every customer as the leave. They just have security to prevent theft there.
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But I think it's ridiculous to be somewhere for almost 15 years and still be treated the same. What does it take to ever earn trust if you've NEVER even thought of doing most of the stuff they say they are trying to prevent??? They're so freaking paranoid we are evil Dick Tracies, you can't even wear a smartwatch, which is the #1 reason I don't get one. Don't want to get something I can't use to almost two thirds of my life between sleep and work.
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Same with evil Wal~Mart with shady unpaid OT and greedy crap like that.
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Yea ridiculous. Less pay but slower and quality is in the toilet. We just have to fix most of their crap anyhow so just let us do it right the first time!
I used to work for Disney Parks and at the end of your shift, you get a 20 minute grace period to change out of your costume and walk to your car. Disney also checks your bags before you leave, but has a security officer waiting at the exit turnstiles 24/7.
Apple should be doing the search before or as you clock out. If Apple wants to invest time and money to protect themselves, great, but it shouldn’t be on the watch of everyone else.
Apple should be doing the search before or as you clock out. If Apple wants to invest time and money to protect themselves, great, but it shouldn’t be on the watch of everyone else.
That would suck for sure. But I have to wonder, just how big are these stores such that it takes :45 wait to get a bag check? Are there really that many employees leaving at one time or not enough people to do the checks or what?
It's not ridiculous at all, it's treating everyone the same.
Where I worked we had a person that was there for 10 years when I started, she worked there a further 8 after I left, then they got fired for stealing. DVDs, cash, video games, you name it, they stole it. A buddy who still worked there was tasked with sitting with loss prevention and reviewing tons of tapes.
Just because someone works there a long time doesn't mean they're not stealing.
Well in this version of America the court ruled that Apple has to pay for time spent waiting in line after employees clocked out.
And those are the ones I absolutely hate because they ruin it for long time good employees with a traffic ticket as their worst offense in 47 years. And what kind of crappy loss prevention do they have for someone to last so long that is stealing??
I worked at an Apple store in NH and I would say after about 2 years there that bag checks at the store could sometimes take up to 1/2 hour to find someone and get them to check you out. It sucked during weekends because sometimes it would take so long you would just leave your stuff in the locker and not take it home or you would leave with your cell phone and pray you didn't get written up
This was debunked in the end. The rates were lower than the general populous.
Foxconn suicides - Wikipedia
The problem with Apple is that you must wear a uniform and are not allowed to wear that uniform outside the store.
So what are you putting your change of clothes in? Is Apple washing your uniform? You have to take it home somehow and that's going to be in a bag.
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Not really. Amazon had a similar one for their warehouse employees.
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The main concern is access to the stock room. So they’d check you, your clock out, and exit without going in the stock room.