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Apple Criticized for 'Fundamentally Misguided' Approach to Stage Manager in iPadOS 16

There's also a bug that still hasn't been fixed...

Get two windows up in stage manager and resize so they both take up half the screen each

Now move the mouse to the left to access the other "spaces"

The spaces menu will be hidden behind the app on the left

However, if you do this with one fullscreen app, then it shrinks so you can access the menu

Crazy how this hasnt been figured out yet
 
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It looks good in pictures, that’s about all the upsides I can see. Too negative?
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the basic intention behind this is good,
it's "just" the execution is so damn subpar, it really surprises me that a company that claims to put so much emphasis on streamlined workflow is set putting some tacked on half baked thingie like this into their new OSes.

it seems that the guy(s) responsible for adding this to Mac seem to be either completely clueless about what good / finished solutions for workflow improvements to an OS actually are, or they simply don't care at all about how the product is turning out and are only interested in "l@@k, our next annual OS update is having another toy!"
 
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sunapple said:
It’s so strange to me how they decided to waste so much screen real estate.

For work on Windows I always have my two monitors filled with app windows. I drag them to one of the sides of the screen to fill the monitor either fully or to have two or more windows in some kind of split view.

Yet on a small iPad screen they think it’s best to work with small windows and have more apps stored to the left and a dock on the bottom?

Then they even hide this functionality by default and still offer the old split view. Why not improve on existing UI?

It looks good in pictures, that’s about all the upsides I can see. Too negative?
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Yep, the guy that approved the concept of stage manager must have been extremely dope.
Its UI is bad designed, its core is bad engineered and has requirements as if it’s something revolutionary.
Nobody needs a window carrousel with such a waste of screen real estate.
 
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Reason077 said:
Unfortunately this is the direction Apple seems to be going with a lot of its software updates lately. Another case in point: System Preferences in macOS Ventura beta!

Is Apple trying to do too much, too fast with its annual OS release schedule? Perhaps it's time they moved to a "tick/tock" model with major new features every 2nd year, followed by a release that focuses mainly on bug fixes, performance, new hardware support, etc? Would this give teams more time to ensure that significant new features like Stage Manager are really polished and well-thought out?
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This is a result of not having their staff in the office. Too much of they do depends on hardware and software being built by different team working together and working seamlessly across platforms. I can’t see how this can be effectively done on a Teams call.
 
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Reason077 said:
Unfortunately this is the direction Apple seems to be going with a lot of its software updates lately
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Well, it’s only „lately“ that they’ve begun exposing their beta software for a wider, non-developer audience. And honestly, it‘s not a new thing. They‘ve always had their blunders.
unrigestered said:
in fact it's even worse on the Mac side of things, as Macs already are having means to do those things and all you are getting is a half baked solution in the form of another tacked on gimmick the Windows world is often rightfully critized for with all the bloatware crap most manufacturers are shipping their systems with, instead of improving the existing tools that are already there
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…though Windows has been lauded (relatively speaking, compared to macOS) for its window management/tiling for quite a while.
xraydoc said:
Multiple windows on a small screen is hard to do, even on, say, a 14” laptop, let alone an 11” tablet. But it’s not that bad
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The feature is arguably designed not for small but for big screens.

If you can’t do it well on a small screen, then don‘t do it (on small screens). It‘s what Apple has often done: they‘d rather withhold functionality from users than giving them a sub-par experience.
 
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If bugs persist in Stage Manager when iPadOS releases in three weeks, and it is a very complex feature in essentially creating a pseudo-desktop environment for a device that doesn't actually have a desktop and still doesn't, Apple will simply do what they did with Universal Control. They'll release it as-is and put at (beta) tag on it in the System Settings. Keep in mind this feature is off by default.
 
t0rqx said:
These modern times people are
more tech savvy than ever. This damage control does not work with this generation. The average kid can code at the age of 12.

Act what you preach, listen to feedback and get your act together Apple!
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Average kid doesn't even know how to navigate hierarchical file structure, what programming can they do on their phone
 
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bobbie424242 said:
For some reason, multitasking is hard in 2022 when you want to reinvent the wheel for some reason, just for being different. This makes Windows 3.11 for Workgroups look like a miracle.
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Now that takes me back… years and years… 🙂

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Wildkraut said:
Yep, the guy that approved the concept of stage manager must have been extremely dope.
Its UI bad is designed, its core is bad engineered and has requirements as if it’s something revolutionary.
Nobody needs a window carrousel with such a waste of screen real estate.
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Need the whole screen? Just drag your window all the way to the corner, the dock & the recent apps will automatically disappear 😉
 
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genovelle said:
This is a result of not having their staff in the office. Too much of they do depends on hardware and software being built by different team working together and working seamlessly across platforms. I can’t see how this can be effectively done on a Teams call.
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Bull. There’s nothing about the UI for this that needs intricate coordination with the hardware. Under the hood it does need the memory swap, but that’s a decades ago solved problem and it’s not the part people are complaining about.

Also, Apple has been messing up its UI design quite badly for years now, going back to before COVID.

Most importantly, there’s nothing forcing them to announce and ship the feature before it’s been better thought out and more mature. They need to set a higher bar for the state of their software before doing so.

They also need to go back and fix things they did poorly. At this rate, they keep accumulating technical debt to the point that things are going to be really crappy in a few years and they will have to publicly apologize and spend a year or two just righting recent wrongs.
 
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Bull. There’s nothing about the UI for this that needs intricate coordination with the hardware. Under the hood it does need the memory swap, but that’s a decades ago solved problem and it’s not the part people are complaining about.
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in real meetings though, the businessmen might not have missed the eyes rolling from the programming teams like they apparently did via the 720p FaceTime meetings 🤓
 
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…though Windows has been lauded (relatively speaking, compared to macOS) for its window management/tiling for quite a while.
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of course, Windows has other great features too, like backwards (and even upwards) compatibility, OS updates don't break things frequently, their OS is supported for much longer, etc
i think it's actually having less vulnerable points too at the moment 🤡

and i think it's actually more straight forward for beginners too 🙈
 
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Stagemanager is nothing more than having the AltTab App (great App btw, you should consider using it) on your iPad. That's it. Another way to Cmd-Tab your way to the next or previous running application.

I don't understand the excitement, because it's nothing. Yet another absolutely worthless feature, being sold as the next sliced bread invention...

You know what would be awesome? A next iOS, iPadOS and macOS version where 100 useless features are removed, leaving a slim and ultra fast OS.

And then sell it like it should be: For every feature you like, there's an App.
 
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Scrap Stage manager and allow people to run a full MacOS when plugged into an external monitor. There is literally no reason an iPad can do this, especially with the M1 and M2 chips. Only hold back is it will kill a big part of their laptop sales.
 
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It’s clear apple knew people wanted window support they just wouldn’t add it the same way due to how it works on a Mac.
 
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