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Apple Criticizes Proposed UK 'Investigatory Powers' Surveillance Bill
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Plenty of people find the id checks the banks already do to be burdensome. So making it stricter is hardly going to be an improvement for them.
We need to make it so personal details don't constantly leak and that's all we really need to do. But that requires strong encryption.
I was born in 1984
Theresa May is a horrible piece of crap who's a disgrace to this country.
She hates the police and has gone after them with no mercy, there's not a serving copper who likes her. She's now turning to the fire brigade to destroy.
Almost as if she or someone she is with has shares in a private company that could "rescue" the bankrupt police.
The sooner she crawls back under her rock the better this country will be
She needs to comb her bloody hair as well... Scruffy b**ch!
I'm all for strong encryption, and no back doors . As soon as you include backdoors, privacy is gone.
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Was not long ago the Chinese App Store was hacked hard, so security is not the number one criteria.
All I can say is that both in the US and the UK we have forgotten the dangers of curtailment of civil liberties, including the right to privacy. In the UK the erosion of civil liberties has been particularly bad since I arrived in the UK 20 years ago. For instance there is now no freedom from double jeopardy in the UK, there is no right to a jury trial etc. The proposed bill in the UK, which has been called the 'snooper's charter, mk 2' is just about the stupidest thing I have heard. let us suppose government can crack all encryption: I send a message to somebody that 'the daisies bloom at 8AM' - is this a message about flowers or an attack? The UK Tories: stupid is as stupid does.
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Whats frightening about this?
The Govt, needs to know that Im sending Poetry to my wife, or are they paranoid?
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Whats frightening about this?
The Govt, needs to know that Im sending Poetry to my wife, or are they paranoid?
Some apps in the App Store were found to be hacked in China. That's a bit different from the whole machine being rooted.
If Apple's answer to this winds up (unlikely) to be to withdraw all of it's products from sales in the UK, what of the millions of Apple devices currently in the hands of UK customers? Make the possession of an iMessage capable device illegal and have people turn them in?
Apple can't "backdoor" just for the UK and they can't change their global ethic just for one country. Even the USA.
Since encryption is a math application that predates the cell phone, removing iMessage from the scene won't accomplish anything. All of the commercial tech companies could drop encryption and the bad guys would just hire a hacker to write one for them. I hear ISIS is rather tech savvy. Maybe ban cellphones? Oops, that's what started this for the snoops, isn't it?
Dale
Apple can't "backdoor" just for the UK and they can't change their global ethic just for one country. Even the USA.
Since encryption is a math application that predates the cell phone, removing iMessage from the scene won't accomplish anything. All of the commercial tech companies could drop encryption and the bad guys would just hire a hacker to write one for them. I hear ISIS is rather tech savvy. Maybe ban cellphones? Oops, that's what started this for the snoops, isn't it?
Dale
No need for hackers. There are--and always will be--open source encryption packages they (and we) can use.
This seems to be the truth of the whole thing. These people in power believe that encryption is a hardware feature that the device companies control. Pounding on the Apple/Google door won't do anything. If my memory serves me right the Paris attack was planned via third party encryption apps.
Dale
Backdoors... Is there a way they can ensure that only the government can use those? Maybe they get a private key that can break into devices. Some Snowden-like guy could still leak it. Imagine how horrible it would be if hackers found a way in through these backdoors.
While you are entitled to argue it keeps us safe, it quite clearly makes little to no difference, you can never catch them all. Traditional police work does actually work! mass data collection is just a security risk for everyone. The UK government went already has very intrusive powers that Europe has pushed back on because they infringe on human rights. I feel like terrorism has been hyped up to be such a massive threat when it kills only a handful of people.
You've been brainwashed by the media to believe the solution to terrorism is spy laws, when prevention is not the cure. The cure would be not to invade these countries in the first place.
Economically we like to destabilise others to increase the value of our economy. You might be a bit of a dullard if you can't see that this is not designed for the right reasons.
Yep imagine if another country like china got the access and then used it to find sensitive materials that then allowed them to cause bank collapses etc. Imagine if it was the UK itself that took that info and was used by nefarious people inside the very agencies and laws setup in this bill.
I can't see any good coming from this, it's so unbelievably harmful and stupid.
Tech will always be one step ahead, it's just a shame to think apple is gonna lose and be forced to reduce it's security. I would assume apple wouldn't change their tech just because of this law as it will probably be undermined eventually.
They time these bills just after terrorist attacks when public opinion is strongest but people aren't stupid this should get squashed. I would not be surprised if the uk government were already aware of attacks in advance and kept them to themselves to help pass spying bills. I wouldn't put it pass them.
The way Theresa May wants to run this country, I appreciate _anyone_ speaking up against it.
Plus, companies like Apple actually _know_ what they are talking about.
That's more than naive. Companies like Apple mostly stay out of politics, because it is usually none of their business, and usually doesn't matter to them. This one matters. All Apple needs to do is some one minute adverts explaining the facts to the public, and announcing what services will not be available to anyone in Britain anymore if these laws are passed. And every time you try to use iMessage, you get an explanation why British laws don't allow Apple to provide the app anymore.
They wouldn't be going to war with a major European government. They would be going to war mostly with one stupid woman (Theresa May) who is just repeating the same ******** that Jaqui Smith was spouting.
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Apple will do what is best for Apple, and giving customers unbreakable encryption is best for Apple. Having the capability to break encryption wouldn't give Apple any benefits whatsoever, only cost and upset customers.
As an example: If I send an iMessage to you, Apple asks you to provide your encryption key and sends that key to me; then I encrypt the message with your encryption key and send it to you via Apple, and you decrypt it. Only you have the decryption key matching your encryption key. There is no way to decrypt the message for anyone except you.
Apple could ask you for your encryption key, then send me Apple's encryption key, I would send the message encrypted with Apple's encryption key, Apple would decrypt it and encrypt it with your key, then send it on to you. The result would be that _every single iMessage_ is available to be read by Apple. This cannot be done by giving some encryption key to some government. Apple could give the UK government decrypted messages. But also Apple itself could read anything, which would be bad. And a hacker hacking into Apple's servers could read anything, which would be just awful. And of course if a government turns evil, they can read anything ever sent.
Donald Knuth, "The Art of Computer Programming", Volume 2, 1980 Edition, contains a very fine description of the RSA algorithm. Any amateur with high school maths and a bit of programming skills can implement it to create unbreakable 2048-bit encryption. It would be a bit slow if created by an amateur with little knowledge, but plenty fast to send out email messages.
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Apple could oblige and shut down its iMessage service (since it seems it'd have to, to comply with UK law), and then since it's dead, publish its obsolete source code for anyone and everyone to create their own apps with.
This will spell the end of the dominance of the west in tech for sure. Right wing governments are completely out to lunch. Back doors are not the answer. If you don't like terrorism, stop participating in it, as Chomsky says.