No need to give up unlimited data plan. It may not make much economic sense to hang onto a phone and use it on AT&T network once off contract, since pay same monthly fee (includes @$20/month subsidy recovery). Until major carriers drop monthly after subsidy recovery, or offer a cheaper monthly if you buy phone outright at full price, probably better to upgrade or take off contract iPhone4 to T-Mobile or another $45/month network.
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Apple Cutting iPhone 5c Production at Two Major Suppliers
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No need to give up unlimited data plan. It may not make much economic sense to hang onto a phone and use it on AT&T network once off contract, since pay same monthly fee (includes @$20/month subsidy recovery). Until major carriers drop monthly after subsidy recovery, or offer a cheaper monthly if you buy phone outright at full price, probably better to upgrade or take off contract iPhone4 to T-Mobile or another $45/month network.
Just a Riff From Someone Who Likes His iPhone 5C
I don't get it...... I honestly like my iPhone 5C so I thought I would just share my mind.
1) The price was a little high. I was thinking about getting a used iPhone 5 but then I realized I had my last phone for 6 (yes) years so I needed something new. I wish it would have been $99 for the 32GB model.
But now for all the pros:
2) I like that it is colorful without having a case.
3) And speaking of cases, I think the 5C doesn't even need one unless you're clumsy MCGee. I've had mine for almost a month now without a case and I have none of the scratches on dents that frequent the other metal iPhones.
3a) I even dropped a white board onto the rear of the phone (as I was doing physics HW calculations jaja) and it didn't scratch it. Theres a microscopic dent that I found with a magnifying glass.... but not visible to the human eye.
4) I can confirm the battery life is better than the iPhone 5. I've put some hard use onto it and it still last all day.
So I think they just need to drop the price orrrrrrrrr wait till christmas? But the christmas item will always be the iPad for the old people. Vision problems....
I don't get it...... I honestly like my iPhone 5C so I thought I would just share my mind.
1) The price was a little high. I was thinking about getting a used iPhone 5 but then I realized I had my last phone for 6 (yes) years so I needed something new. I wish it would have been $99 for the 32GB model.
But now for all the pros:
2) I like that it is colorful without having a case.
3) And speaking of cases, I think the 5C doesn't even need one unless you're clumsy MCGee. I've had mine for almost a month now without a case and I have none of the scratches on dents that frequent the other metal iPhones.
3a) I even dropped a white board onto the rear of the phone (as I was doing physics HW calculations jaja) and it didn't scratch it. Theres a microscopic dent that I found with a magnifying glass.... but not visible to the human eye.
4) I can confirm the battery life is better than the iPhone 5. I've put some hard use onto it and it still last all day.
So I think they just need to drop the price orrrrrrrrr wait till christmas? But the christmas item will always be the iPad for the old people. Vision problems....
I'm SO OVER people here (and Apple fanboys, in general) of thinking products are superior just because they utilize aluminium and glass.
Those materials weren't even utilized in Apple products until a few years ago, and when plastic was used in old products (iPod, Macbook, iBook, etc), it was pretty high quality.
The ~polycarbonate~ used in the 5C is high grade. The phone feels sturdy in hand and is much nicer to hold than the edgy 5s. I would've bought one, but for ~only~ $100 more, I got the 5s.
Those materials weren't even utilized in Apple products until a few years ago, and when plastic was used in old products (iPod, Macbook, iBook, etc), it was pretty high quality.
The ~polycarbonate~ used in the 5C is high grade. The phone feels sturdy in hand and is much nicer to hold than the edgy 5s. I would've bought one, but for ~only~ $100 more, I got the 5s.
I think the iPhone 5c is selling as well as I expected (i.e.: better than the iPhone 4S at $99 last year). I can't remember anybody excitedly telling me that they bought or were going to buy an iPhone 4S last year. I have heard many people excitedly tell me about plans to buy the iPhone 5c or come by and show it off to me. So I think the iPhone 5c is doing what it needs to do: improve Apple's bottom line by drawing in more budget-minded buyers.
It is possible that Apple thought it would be doing better than it is and hence the scaling back of production. I'm sure the actual demand for each model will help shape the fiscal Q1 guidance we will get on the 28th.
I have said this several times before: demand for the iPhone 5c will peak at Christmas time in the USA as parents trade in older iPhones to upgrade their teens and tweens. Right now, it does not make sense for the iPhone 5c to be selling that well since its target market is not early adopters with pent-up demand. Its target market is the casual upgrader and the parents buying for their kids. The iPhone 5c will also do better than the 4S did last year over the long haul because it is a more interesting device than "last year's iPhone".
So I'm not quite sure why anybody is trying so hard to say the iPhone 5c is a failure when reports indicate that it is outselling every Android model in the USA at the major carriers combined. That seems pretty good to me even if Apple had initially ramped up supply thinking it would do even better.
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You've moved backwards.
You have no idea where android is? I had the same feeling but go and use note 3 ... you will see what are u missing
It is possible that Apple thought it would be doing better than it is and hence the scaling back of production. I'm sure the actual demand for each model will help shape the fiscal Q1 guidance we will get on the 28th.
I have said this several times before: demand for the iPhone 5c will peak at Christmas time in the USA as parents trade in older iPhones to upgrade their teens and tweens. Right now, it does not make sense for the iPhone 5c to be selling that well since its target market is not early adopters with pent-up demand. Its target market is the casual upgrader and the parents buying for their kids. The iPhone 5c will also do better than the 4S did last year over the long haul because it is a more interesting device than "last year's iPhone".
So I'm not quite sure why anybody is trying so hard to say the iPhone 5c is a failure when reports indicate that it is outselling every Android model in the USA at the major carriers combined. That seems pretty good to me even if Apple had initially ramped up supply thinking it would do even better.
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You've moved backwards.
You have no idea where android is? I had the same feeling but go and use note 3 ... you will see what are u missing
There's a reason why everyone predicted that the plastic phone would occupy the "free on contract" spot in the lineup: it looks and feels cheap next to a 5S.
If you hold onto your phone for 2 years the difference between a 5C and a 5S is a mere 14 cents/day. Why settle for last year's technology and look cheap doing it when a few nickels will get you a flagship model?
I think Apple was fooled by the surprisingly strong sales of the iPhone 4S last year and thought they could repeat that success and pull in huge margins at the same time. What they failed to account for was the status of carrying what looks like a flagship phone. Nobody can tell whether you got a discounted 4S in 2013 or paid big bucks to be first on your block back in 2011. With a 5C, however, it's obvious to everyone that you bought a lesser model and that you're not very good at math either.
If you hold onto your phone for 2 years the difference between a 5C and a 5S is a mere 14 cents/day. Why settle for last year's technology and look cheap doing it when a few nickels will get you a flagship model?
I think Apple was fooled by the surprisingly strong sales of the iPhone 4S last year and thought they could repeat that success and pull in huge margins at the same time. What they failed to account for was the status of carrying what looks like a flagship phone. Nobody can tell whether you got a discounted 4S in 2013 or paid big bucks to be first on your block back in 2011. With a 5C, however, it's obvious to everyone that you bought a lesser model and that you're not very good at math either.
I know guys, I was being sarcastic
I honestly think Apple got greedy with this one, consumers are smart and they can do the math.
I wish Apple just offered two phones in the lineup: 5s ($650), 4c ($450). Period.
Good, now ramp up the 5s production. It's been 3+ weeks now and still no inventory here in WNY.
I'm just wondering why so many folks here feel the need to justify and rationalize their love or purchase of the 5S that they must spend so much time bad mouthing another product option (and even outright insulting people who chose that option).
The obvious insecurity is really interesting.
The obvious insecurity is really interesting.
Surprise. This is what happens when you get the price-point wrong. There wasn't enough of a discount over the 5S to justify buying one of these instead unless you really want a coloured back.
From a neutral point of view, all of these could mean that the iPhone 5C has reached it stock goal and now it only has to keep up with demand.
In the other hand raising the iPhone 5S production could mean that some components that were in tight supply at the beginning of production are more broad available, therefore raising production is now possible.
But being honest I don't think so. Tim Cook was COO before becoming the CEO, never before something like that happened. So no, this doesn't sound like a planned phase-out, this sound more like a miss calculation.
It's clear obvious that Tim Cook thought that everyone just wanted an Apple product because it was Apple's. Therefore the 5C would sell like crazy, while only the hardcore Applefans would get the 5S. It made perfect sense in his head, better margins for a product easier to produce would mean no tightenings in the production line, so no lost sales due to production shortages.
That might worked 10 years ago. Now people make better thought decisions.
In the other hand raising the iPhone 5S production could mean that some components that were in tight supply at the beginning of production are more broad available, therefore raising production is now possible.
But being honest I don't think so. Tim Cook was COO before becoming the CEO, never before something like that happened. So no, this doesn't sound like a planned phase-out, this sound more like a miss calculation.
It's clear obvious that Tim Cook thought that everyone just wanted an Apple product because it was Apple's. Therefore the 5C would sell like crazy, while only the hardcore Applefans would get the 5S. It made perfect sense in his head, better margins for a product easier to produce would mean no tightenings in the production line, so no lost sales due to production shortages.
That might worked 10 years ago. Now people make better thought decisions.
When did I compare the 5c to Android??? I was remarking on the poor sales probably due to over estimation of the market.
Apple should stick to what it does best within a higher level market.
Except it's not clear that sales are poor or that Apple overestimated anything.
This says it all.
iPhone 5C is egregiously overpriced.
It says something, but not what you think.
If the price of the 5c were to be lowered, there is a very good chance that people would choose the 5c instead of the 5s, which would have 2 horrible effects for Apple. Number one, Apple gets less money from a sale of one of their iPhones. Number 2, the price/value of the iPhone in the mind of the consumer is lowered, such that in the future Apple will find it harder and harder to justify the premium price it wants people to pay for the top of the line phone. Since the majority of Apple's profits come from the iPhone business, they're not going to do anything to risk losing that. They've got a winning formula here they aren't going to mess with.
Pricing strategy is actually a very complex science, it's not the simple, "lower the price and sell more items" decision that people think it is. Personally, I think Apple does a fantastic job at it (continuing to sell more iPhones year on year at huge profit margins would support this). We can individually judge the 5c to be too expensive, but it demonstrates a complete lack of business acumen to say it's a bad business decision the price of the 5c. The 5c is selling more than the 4s sold a year ago, how is that anything but successful for Apple?
There is a difference between "poor" and "below Apple's expectations".
If a football team goes undefeated all season long but fails to cover the point spread in those games, it doesn't mean they did poorly, just below the public's expectations.
What, is Tim Cook whispering in your ear, MR?
State the obvious! It's clearly lower than expected demand and we all know why.
It was genius on paper, and admittedly it's still a great tactic and it's still working- if you're talking business. But there's no way people wouldn't catch on.
Make last year's phone with a new look and reduce costs (production and the given iPhone 5 price drop after a year)
But I think everyone noticed it's just a way to relaunch the iPhone 5. And people expected it to be free on contract. And if the quality is not up to par on the majority of consumers, this shouldn't be a surprise. I honestly don't expect the 5C to go far- and I'd much rather buy an iPhone 5.
Rumors and the end result is what I think is crippling sales (in other words, expectations), but before I'm told "yeah yeah yeah", look, it's done way better than the 4S with the iPhone 5 present, iPhone 4 with 4S' launch... Honestly, I think the 5C fulfilled its duty, pretty well too, but for how much longer.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with the 5C, especially if I wanted to get an iPhone 5. If there should ever be a decline in demand, I'd blame the expectations people had.
(Also I don't see a price drop happening, since this is a refreshed version of the iPhone 5, which woulda sold for the same price if it was still sold I'm guessing)
Make last year's phone with a new look and reduce costs (production and the given iPhone 5 price drop after a year)
But I think everyone noticed it's just a way to relaunch the iPhone 5. And people expected it to be free on contract. And if the quality is not up to par on the majority of consumers, this shouldn't be a surprise. I honestly don't expect the 5C to go far- and I'd much rather buy an iPhone 5.
Rumors and the end result is what I think is crippling sales (in other words, expectations), but before I'm told "yeah yeah yeah", look, it's done way better than the 4S with the iPhone 5 present, iPhone 4 with 4S' launch... Honestly, I think the 5C fulfilled its duty, pretty well too, but for how much longer.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with the 5C, especially if I wanted to get an iPhone 5. If there should ever be a decline in demand, I'd blame the expectations people had.
(Also I don't see a price drop happening, since this is a refreshed version of the iPhone 5, which woulda sold for the same price if it was still sold I'm guessing)
Funny, you ask him if Tim Cook is whispering in his ear, yet confidently assert as fact something that you could only know if Tim Cook (or someone similar at Apple) was whispering in your ear.
So...is Tim Cook whispering in your ear?
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Actually, so far it looks like it is genius in execution.
"Catch on" to what?! You imply Apple is pulling a fast on here. That's ridiculous.
So?
Which people?