Microsoft = GoodSo how is this any different then Edge being the default on my Windows computer’s with Bing being the default search engine?
Apple = Bad
Google = Real Bad
Microsoft = GoodSo how is this any different then Edge being the default on my Windows computer’s with Bing being the default search engine?
DuckDuckGo doesn’t sell as much of my data?I've got some bad news..
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DuckDuckGo browser allows Microsoft trackers due to search agreement
The privacy-focused DuckDuckGo browser purposely allows Microsoft trackers on third-party sites due to an agreement in their syndicated search content contract between the two companies.www.bleepingcomputer.com
I think the culture of Microsoft changed massively in the past 10 years... for the better for sure.
People shouldn't use big words when they don’t know what they mean.He's right. duopoly collusion, very grubby.
The Title of the article and the first paragraph of the article says that the CEO of Mircrosoft is saying that, they think the dominance of google search is because of it being a default browser on Apple. My comment was just reversing that logic, with my opinion, that Apple made it the default because of its dominance.I don’t know if you people missed reading the content or just read the headline.
Apple isn’t accused of anything, google is the accused
And Microsoft CEO is just a witness called to the stand in the United States v. Google LLC is an ongoing federal antitrust case brought by the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) against Google LLC on October 20, 2020. The suit alleges that Google has violated the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890 through anti-competitive behavior in the search engine and search advertising markets.
I actually prefer Bing's more visually enriched presentation of results. But the results themselves are just not nearly as useful. I've tried Bing, repeatedly, and have always gone back to Google because Google offers a superior search engine. Period.Bing’s results and interface is terrible compared to google.
I think I agree with you… since he stepped “away” things have sure changed for the better. It feels like a more open and collaborative company.I still suspect, even if he’s statutorily forbidden from doing so, Bill Gates still exerts influence at Microsoft.
For anyone who has followed Microsoft long enough, it became easy to spot stances and actions that were all Bill Gates.
In certain instances, it was easy to perceive when Microsoft’s behavior was really a manifestation of Bill Gates’ persona.
Attitudes like, No one must be allowed to succeed but Microsoft. No credit goes to anyone else.
Netscape must be destroyed. MSN must destroy AOL.
MSN Video must destroy YouTube. Office must destroy all spreadsheets, word processors and slideshow presentation apps/suites.
Zune must destroy iPod.
Microsoft “Nokia” must destroy iPhone.
Xbox must destroy PlayStation.
Microsoft Dynamics must destroy Oracle.
Bing must destroy Google. Surface must destroy iPad. Viva Engage must destroy Facebook. Mixer must destroy Twitch — and all other players. Azure must destroy AWS.
I’ve always thought that the most powerful of the forces that drove Bill Gates was jealously. (And secondarily, his quest for credit and recognition — something he would share with no one!)
The proof is seen in how Microsoft has wasted Billions in rash acquisitions and expensive “adventures” — many of which failed miserably — in disparate categories that Microsoft just couldn’t stay out of! (Because Bill Gates couldn’t contain his limitless jealousy, IMO.)
The failed Zune “adventure” to kill the iPod ended up costing Microsoft well over a Billion dollars — even forcing Microsoft (MSFT) to report a $289 Million loss one Financial Quarter.
Its Nokia “adventure” to destroy iPhone reportedly cost Microsoft at least $8 Billion (Source: The Verge).
These aren’t the actions of a judicious, discerning, responsible corporation; these are the reckless whims of a jealous, maniacal megalomaniac.
(IMHO.)
I don’t like Bill Gates, btw.
People should make themselves aware of their options, especially when it's so petty and is not within the purview of the government. Stop being so lazy, click on Safari settings, click on Search, and select the search engine from the list of options. You don't need an Act of Congress. The "People didn't know they could download another browser" (and now search engine) was not true then and isn't true now. Netscape was literally everywhere, online, in every catalog, in every magazine and in every computer store. It failed for other reasons.It is ironic that MS is commenting on monopolistic practices, but that’s a result of experience; being forced to remove IE as the default browser in Windows back in the 90s. Which is kind of laughable in hindsight, but I guess you could argue it was the same thing but different time period. People didn’t know they could download another browser so they often used the default option. Of course, today there are many browser options.
I don’t see why the same shouldn’t apply to Google search in the modern age, especially when there are huge kick backs involved to Apple, etc. People should be made aware of their options. If anything, I see it as government inaction or complacency (especially when government is lobbied by said tech companies).
A similar argument could've been made regarding IE as it related to the DOJ case against Microsoft in the 1990s. Microsoft made IE the "default" browser on Windows and while they may have discouraged computer OEMs from offering alternative browsers, end users could at least still easily "look past" IE and download Navigator or another browser. Microsoft was still charged with anticompetitive behavior.
Oh they absolutely did.No, they didn't. Not a single one.
Completely irrelevant, it’s the anti trust nature of the deal. The phone being late or notX seems like quite a stretch Satya. Google was cemented as the preferred search engine (on Windows browsers) long before iPhone's were even a twinkle in Steve's eye
Completely irrelevant and unrelated to their commentHow about creating a good product? Bing is still bad and bloated, bing chat have an unbearable "personality" and output unpredictable results since microsoft try to hide which GPT model it's using. Microsoft knows people only use their products when users are unaware of alternatives or when it's the only option
Completely irrelevant because the iPhone isn’t the issue being critiquedGoogle had already achieved search dominance by the time the iPhone launched. It was already a verb
they are a witness against Google answering questionsisn’t this the same company that makes Edge the default browser on Windows? Oops
they are a witness against Google answering questionsAnd Microsoft is the default operating system on so many computers….hmmm who here has a monopoly on a market
iPhones aren’t the issue, the act of Google paying a company to have it as default is the issue according to the DOJ. And their dominance didn’t cause the deal, the “deal” existing is the issueOr, “Google’s dominance in search responsible for Apple‘s deal”. Google was a verb before iPhone existed
They aren’t, they are a witness, Microsoft wanting to do the same thing is completely irrelevant to the function as a witness testimony against google.Says the guy who warns you if you install anything other than Edge as your default browser on Windows.
You want to be the default, pay more. End of story
Sure, and irrelevant. Google is on trial, not Microsoft.That's pretty rich coming from Microsoft who goes out to corner the market by buying up their competitors like Bethesda and Activision. Maybe Microsoft should buy Google?
He did admit BING needed to be better under oath. And he isn’t blaming anyone, he is answering questions as witnesses.easier to blame someone else than to make Bing something people want to use
Irrelevant as this could already be the case with multiple antitrust cases against Google.why go after one major competitor when you can go after two? Maybe Google's anticompetitive agreements with android manufacturers across 70% of the global market has something to do with it as well
IrrelevantAnd who is Microsoft blaming for the market share of Windows mobile?
"Google uses its 90 percent share in Internet search to continually improve its service in ways that are impossible with Microsoft’s unsuccessful Bing search service. [...] Microsoft can’t afford to improve Bing enough to be competitive because doing so will not rely in a commensurate return in investment."He should stop complaining and instead invest more time, money and energy in improving the product than pointing fingers at Apple.
I changed my defaults. But nowadays it’s DuckDuckGo. Using it for years now.
Yes, but many unsavvy users (like, say, my parents) would also not even understand the question and tap on the first thing that looks like it’ll let them do what they actually want to do, and that would reduce Google search’s market share a little bit.
The fun thing to do would be to not ask the user and instead just select one search engine at random.![]()
Or just look at the macOS search, it’s so bad that I always use the terminal when i search for files ( find ~/ -iname ‘*filename*' )Apple making their own search engine would take eons. Look at Maps, it’s still a work in progress.
Well the CEO is the witness on the stand. He is witnessing on behalf of Microsoft. And the title is completely misleading because what the CEO said was that he endorses the DOJ line of thinkingThe Title of the article and the first paragraph of the article says that the CEO of Mircrosoft is saying that, they think the dominance of google search is because of it being a default browser on Apple. My comment was just reversing that logic, with my opinion, that Apple made it the default because of its dominance.
Also a headline of an article should be representative of the article that it is representing, which it is in this case.
Testifying in a packed courtroom in Washington, Nadella endorsed the Justice Department’s theory that Google, a unit of parent company
Alphabet GOOG
, cemented its dominance of internet search through agreements with
AppleAAPL
that have made Google’s search engine the default on Apple’s Safari web browser.
Because of these default agreements, “you get up in the morning, you brush your teeth, and you search on Google,” Nadella said. “With that level of habit forming, the only way to change is by changing defaults.”
Again, not a single one of those quotes implies that the poster is unaware that Google is the one on trial.Oh they absolutely did.
For what? Crimes against Innovation? 😂tim cook needs to be jailed, along with other top apple executives
I’m not talking about that. The ceo expressed zero criticism against apple. He just endorsed the governments view on Google as true.Again, not a single one of those quotes implies that the poster is unaware that Google is the one on trial.