Apple Debuts M5 Pro and M5 Max Chips

[lowkey]

Has anyone seen whether Logic utilizes the new Performance cores as well as the Super cores?

Previously Logic could not use Efficiency cores and only ran on the old Performance cores.

If the new performance cores work with Logic it’s going to be a massive boost having every core available instead of only half of them.

 

[BSDnostalgia]

If the new performance cores work with Logic it’s going to be a massive boost having every core available instead of only half of them.

On the previous M.x chips, I don't think the scheduler was likely to go wrong. On, e.g., an M2Pro, the efficiency cores were, what(?), 25% of the total resource, just about the right amount to handle kernel services and lots of idle-ish processes, leaving the performance cores free for long-running processes. On this new implementation, the majority of the resource is in the slower "performance" cores, so, superficially, that could be a problem for the scheduler to take full advantage of all the available resource.

For now, it doesn't affect me personally, but, out of curiosity, I would like to know how the scheduler and app developers are going to handle this.

 

[lowkey]

On the previous M.x chips, I don't think the scheduler was likely to go wrong. On, e.g., an M2Pro, the efficiency cores were, what(?), 25% of the total resource, just about the right amount to handle kernel services and lots of idle-ish processes, leaving the performance cores free for long-running processes. On this new implementation, the majority of the resource is in the slower "performance" cores, so, superficially, that could be a problem for the scheduler to take full advantage of all the available resource.

For now, it doesn't affect me personally, but, out of curiosity, I would like to know how the scheduler and app developers are going to handle this.

Logic currently lags behind Cubase for plugin count due to not utilising efficiency cores. Hopefully that will change with the M5

 

[BorisDG]

New details for the M5:

Not just that we have 1MB L2 for each core, but the SLC grew to 16MB from 8MB in past M chips. NPU is 40TOPS vs 38TOPS in M4.

 

[Alvin777]

Apple today unveiled the M5 Pro and M5 Max chips, featuring a new Fusion Architecture and up to 40 next-generation GPU cores.

The chips are made using a new Apple-designed Fusion Architecture, which combines two dies into a single system on a chip (SoC). Both chips feature a new 18-core CPU architecture, including six high-performance cores that Apple now calls "super cores." They are joined by 12 all-new performance cores optimized for power efficiency. Together, they boost CPU performance by up to 30%.

The M5 Pro pairs a CPU with up to 18-cores with a next-generation GPU with up to 20 cores. With four additional CPU cores compared to the M4 Pro, the new CPU architecture significantly boosts multithreaded performance by up to 30%.

The chips feature up to 40 GPU cores, with a Neural Accelerator in each core, along with enhanced shader cores with second-generation dynamic caching and hardware-accelerated mesh shading. The GPU substantially increases graphics capabilities, now up to 35% for apps using ray tracing than the M4 Pro and M4 Max.

The M5 Pro chip supports up to 64GB of unified memory with higher unified memory bandwidth up to 307GB/s. Together, this allows the M5 Pro to deliver more than 4x the peak GPU compute performance compared to the M4 Pro, and over 6x the peak GPU compute performance than the M1 Pro for AI performance.

The M5 Max chip pairs the 18-core CPU with an up to 40 GPU cores. The new CPU architecture offers up to 15% higher multithreaded performance when compared to the M4 Max.

The M5 Max also supports up to 128GB of unified memory with higher unified memory bandwidth up to 614GB/s. It offers over 4x the peak GPU compute of the previous generation, and over 6x the peak GPU compute than the M1 Max for AI performance.

The chips are available in the new MacBook Pro, which is available for pre-order starting tomorrow.

Article Link: Apple Debuts M5 Pro and M5 Max Chips

Hi it seems the M5 Max chip thermal throttles in the 14" M5 MBP but does anyone kbow if there is throttling with the M5 Pro chips (15-Core CPU and 18-Core versions) in the 14" MBP Pro M5?

Thanks.