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One thing is clear after today announcement.

Android will continue to gain market share in tablet and iOS will lose market share.


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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-5...-ipad-mini-price-choosing-profits-over-share/
Apple whiffs on iPad Mini price, choosing profits over share

Wasn't this made clear by Apple a long time ago? They were never about sales share. Did you see the usage split that Cook showed today? Granted, it might just be one study/survey. But it is pretty clear that iPad have higher usage.
 
Apple needed to ditch the 16 GB models. It is very hard to be a retina app collector with 13 GB of usable storage. I would look for a used 64 GB iPad before paying $700 for an Air.

Seriously! Ten times faster (more) over the years, yet the same storage options as when these devices basically started. Once they hit the 32GB for the base model that will be okay for a lot of people along with feeling one is getting a bit better deal for their money.
 
Actually, the mini is about 10% heavier in volume to weight.

Processing power absolutely is equivalent. Where are you seeing real-world usage showing differences?
Yes, because such a huge portion of the population uses DAW. Of course, there are N7-compatible DAWs on the Play Store, and you can use the USB port for hardware options. The ecosystems are equivalent.
That's my point (along with the GPS). However, I have to concede, that - at a huge price premium, granted - the 64GB and 128 GB options are fantastic on the mini.

I'll grant that NFC is more or less irrelevant, but wireless charging isn't. I set the N7 on the charger on my nightstand. It charges. No effort. Same at my desk at work. I grant - easily! - that lightning kicks the ass of micro USB. But wireless is even better.

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For what it's worth, I'm likely getting an Air as well. I do like the hardware; I just am not keen on paying a huge premium for what is not, in reality, much of a difference in usability.

Also, I do like the aspect ratio of the iPads better in general, but I very much like that the Nexus 7 - in a case - fits in my back pocket. The iPad mini doesn't. That portability is useful to me.

real-world use difference? Have you used the Nexus 7 for any length of time? I am not sure if it is the processor or the software. But it just isn't as smooth as the iPad.

Yes, and plugging in the cable/dock to charge is SO much more effort than placing the Nexus 7 on it's charger? If you are talking about real-world usage differences, charging is pretty flimsy.
 
I paid about $260 for an iPod video 30G about 6 years ago and it's still working. I paid about $280 for an iPod Touch 4 32G about 3 years ago and it's still working fine.

$400 for the iPad Mini Retina is NOT a bad deal. Basically you get the same as last year with:
-Better camera
-Better display
-Better Processors

The 16 to 32 for $100 is ********, the 32 to 64 is the same price for 2X the storage, but can't have everything :D

I'm in for a 16G Mini Retina, just hope I can get one before the years out.

iPad 2? Don't know what to say about that... Except... Why? Dump it and make it last years iPad at that price.

Overall, pretty happy... $70 more... OK, No problem. Supply problem... that sucks, I might have to wait in a long line.

Android is fine, I'm probably in for a Nexus 7 some time later.
 
real-world use difference? Have you used the Nexus 7 for any length of time? I am not sure if it is the processor or the software. But it just isn't as smooth as the iPad.

Yes, and plugging in the cable/dock to charge is SO much more effort than placing the Nexus 7 on it's charger? If you are talking about real-world usage differences, charging is pretty flimsy.
I use a nexus 7 for hours per day, so, yes, I've used one for a length of time. I don't see the issues you do. And it's not like I don't also have a ton of Apple products; I'm quite familiar with how they work. There are pluses and minuses to both, and in my opinion the mini doesn't justify the price premium, especially at the 32GB/LTE level, where it is almost literally twice the price.

Why is wireless easier? I just set it down. Especially for nightstand use, it's fantastic - even better than the dock I had for the previous generation Nexus 7. Again, lightning trumps micro USB, but wireless trumps wired.

I find it amusing - for fanboys of both sides - that "their" product feature is what matters, but only when it serves them. Example: the Nexus 4 (or, really, most Android phones) have a bigger, wider, higher-resolution screen than the iPhone - but it doesn't matter. However, the iPad mini is, it seems, better than the Nexus 7 because the screen is wider. Now, if the argument there is that you surf the web on the iPad but not the phone, then, well... there's not much reason to argue about the processor speeds on the iPhone 5 if you tend mainly to use it for "phone apps".

Lightning is better because it's easier to use - but wireless charging, which is even easier to use, isn't? It makes no sense.

In the end, it comes down almost purely to having a preference and using it to justify a purchase. I see absolutely nothing wrong with buying an iPad mini if you want one. Nor do I see anything wrong with buying an Android tablet.

Both ecosystems are vast. Almost all devices are more than fast enough now. Cloud services make almost any capacity sold sufficient. Even the worst screens are better than anything from a few years ago, and all flagship screens are fantastic. The fact that someone can't play app X or tweak setting Y is only relevant if they want to play app X or tweak setting Y.

Too many people are taking biases that were valid a year or two or three ago and thinking they still apply. They don't. And people on both sides are typically speaking without direct knowledge of the competition, and if they do have direct recent experience, they almost always state a preference as opposed to some blanket statement that product X is universally better than product Y.
 
Wasn't this made clear by Apple a long time ago? They were never about sales share. Did you see the usage split that Cook showed today? Granted, it might just be one study/survey. But it is pretty clear that iPad have higher usage.

Usage is based on how browsers identify themselves. In Android, most use the Desktop or even iPad user agent setting since most sites don't optimize for Android. So not really a valid data point.
 
it seems to me that the Apple investors are happy about the prices and the regular Apple fans are angry about it.
 
The problem with the mini is that iOS is still just scaled down for the hardware, and not truly optimized for the smaller screen. This makes things easier for developers but suckier for all of the users who have to deal with smaller tap targets and cluttered interfaces.

That's what they said about mini tomatoes and now look. Everyone's eating mini tomatoes.
 
iPad 2? Don't know what to say about that... Except... Why? Dump it and make it last years iPad at that price.

Apple is making choice quadrants. Rows are screen density and columns are screen size. Making the 3 or 4 into the new 2 would mean making 2 identical retina rows. The odd bit is not updating the 2. Like a 2.5 with at least more ram. Having said that, the mini 1 is literally an ipad 2, so there is a certain symmetry. And maybe now we know why apple 'gimped' the first mini.

The market is maturing and apple is making a choice. The same choice they've made before. Making a premium experience and charging healthy margins for it, is more important to them than market share. This strategy is how they approach the PC market and why they make more than all other PC companies put together. Cutting margins is a faster way to the bottom (see all other PC companies right now) than cutting market share.

In the end, it comes down almost purely to having a preference and using it to justify a purchase. I see absolutely nothing wrong with buying an iPad mini if you want one. Nor do I see anything wrong with buying an Android tablet.

Both ecosystems are vast. Almost all devices are more than fast enough now. Cloud services make almost any capacity sold sufficient. Even the worst screens are better than anything from a few years ago, and all flagship screens are fantastic. The fact that someone can't play app X or tweak setting Y is only relevant if they want to play app X or tweak setting Y.

This year and each year from now, tablet competitors will get closer to apple specs and each year from now, the price difference will remain. And each layer of lost market share will be accompanied by the pain (we are seeing here) of those customers who could no longer justify not changing over. Apple clearly doesn't want the value buyers. They would make less off 10 such buyers than a single buyer willing to pay apple prices for what apple is willing to make. Each strategy makes sense, (margin or share) just not to the same people.
 
I can't decide if I want the iPad Air or the the iPad mini with Retina Display. Any suggestions on to decide?
 
I can't decide if I want the iPad Air or the the iPad mini with Retina Display. Any suggestions on to decide?

Do you own a Mini or one of the larger iPads? If so, how was that experience?

If not, what are your plans on using an Ipad? Want to watch lots of movies and view PDFs, get the larger. If portability for transit is an issue, get the Mini.
 
What makes this tablet $170 dollars more expensive than a 16gb Nexus 7? :confused:

Faster CPU, hugely faster GPU, faster storage, faster RAM, better display in every respect (viewing angle, colour saturation, response time, touch latency), hugely superior build quality and case design, superior app ecosystem, superior camera optics, pretty much superior by a large margin in nearly all aspects. That's what makes it $170 more expensive.
 
Faster CPU, hugely faster GPU, faster storage, faster RAM, better display in every respect (viewing angle, colour saturation, response time, touch latency), hugely superior build quality and case design, superior app ecosystem, superior camera optics, pretty much superior by a large margin in nearly all aspects. That's what makes it $170 more expensive.

$399 for the 16GB Mini Retina is actually a pretty good deal when you look at it that way. There's going to be more demand for it than for the Air.

But when add LTE or start upgrading storage, it starts to look very expensive. $829 for 128GB LTE? You could buy two Nexus 7 LTE 32GB and 64GB+ SD cards.
 
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