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Apple Defends Against Microsoft in 'App Store' Trademark Dispute

pr5owner said:
windows is an operating system
Microsoft is the company that filed the complaint (as well as some others i believe)

what are you talking about?

also app store is pretty lame to trademark, its like pepsi being the only company to use a shade of blue, its ridiculous bs.
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"App Store" is not a lame trade mark. No one said "Apps" until Apple started it on the iPhone. They own it. The lamest trademark is "Windows", cuz every OS in the world uses windows. They should have called it "infestation", because that's what your up against when you use their crappy OS.
 
TigerWoodsIV said:
If anyone should be suing about App Store it's android, so google.
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How so, Google has a "Marketplace" does it not?

Let's not forget that until Apple came along with their app store the term "app store" was unheard of. Apple coined the term, so it should be pretty much theirs to use.

As for Microsoft objecting...this comes from the people with trademarks on:

WINDOWS
OFFICE
WORD

Give me a friggin' break!!! They're having a bloody laugh!
 
TigerWoodsIV said:
And yes, windows? I have windows in my room, but I certainly don't have an App Store anywhere? How is app store more generic. They should really just give it up and stop paying their lawyers for nonsense lawsuits.
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They're more likely referring to the fact that a "window", in computing terms, is a (usually rectangular) visual container within which you can interact with a software application. The Windows operating system is named after that concept, even though it's in no way unique to that OS and Windows wasn't even the first to feature windows. Windows, brand entrenchment notwithstanding, is a very generic term; Apple's argument is that if MS can be allowed to protect such a generic mark as "Windows", Apple should likewise be allowed to hold on to "App Store".
 
How do you define "is"?

Reminds me of that video of Bill Gates rocking back and forth and asking "How do you define 'is'?" when asked a tough question about anti-competitive Microsoft tactics.

And when it comes to un-copyrightable genericness, let's not forget "Word," "Office," and "Vista."
 
I don't get how 'Windows' is generic. If it were 'Operating System' on the other hand...

'App Store' is not a specific term.
 
Shunnabunich said:
They're more likely referring to the fact that a "window", in computing terms, is a (usually rectangular) visual container within which you can interact with a software application. The Windows operating system is named after that concept, even though it's in no way unique to that OS and Windows wasn't even the first to feature windows. Windows, brand entrenchment notwithstanding, is a very generic term; Apple's argument is that if MS can be allowed to protect such a generic mark as "Windows", Apple should likewise be allowed to hold on to "App Store".
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Here, Here! Nuff said!

Done and Done.:cool:
 
MS has always called them Programs, as in Program Files directory in Windows.
Apple on the other hand has always called them Applications or Apps. Maybe MS should open their own Prog Store and clam up.
 
theelysium said:
Selfish Microsoft..

They coin the most generic term "Windows" and when they lose out this round to "App Store" they want to whine.

Bugger off Microsoft you missed it!

I bet you anything if Microsoft was first to the "App Store" name they would try to patent it. They're so two faced!:mad:
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Microsoft trademarked "Windows" for use in a product that has nothing to do with actual Windows. They can't stop someone who is selling actual windows from using the word "windows" in their name/marketing/etc.

On the other hand, Apple is trying to trademark the generic term "App Store" to refer to an actual app store. It's not just a cute name like Windows is - it's an actual description of the product (or service, or whatever).

If anything, I would think Apple would be particularly sensitive to issues like this after their drama with Apple Corps.
 
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Not exactly the same thing, since application windows are still called windows in Mac and there's a Window menu and no legal trouble whatsoever, yet other companies can't use the words "App Store" to call what they have what it is.
 
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apple will argue no and that MS should call its store the EXE STORE. then demand royalties for the awesome name suggestion.
 
SockRolid said:
Reminds me of that video of Bill Gates rocking back and forth and asking "How do you define 'is'?" when asked a tough question about anti-competitive Microsoft tactics.

And when it comes to un-copyrightable genericness, let's not forget "Word," "Office," and "Vista."
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No. Those aren't generic.

If you were to brand your phone as Phone, this would be generic.
 
theelysium said:
"App Store" is not a lame trade mark. No one said "Apps" until Apple started it on the iPhone. They own it. The lamest trademark is "Windows", cuz every OS in the world uses windows. They should have called it "infestation", because that's what your up against when you use their crappy OS.
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Wow - could you be more wrong? No one said Apps until Apple and the iPhone. You must be young. Very young. Many people for years have used the term Apps. The first PALM had "apps". And the term predates the palm.

But I don't expect someone who is so vehemently against Microsoft to post anything else based on the rest of your post.

I don't think Microsoft (or Nokia, or anyone else) would object if Apple wanted to trademark "Apple App Store" or iTunes App Store
 
If Donald Trump can get a Copyright or trademarked (I really don't know which one) for the phrase "You're Fired" Then I guess Apple can do the same with app store. I think it's quite ridiculous, but I don't make the laws. What's keeping corporations from trademarking names like gas station or grocery store or hospital?
 
twilson said:
How so, Google has a "Marketplace" does it not?

Let's not forget that until Apple came along with their app store the term "app store" was unheard of. Apple coined the term, so it should be pretty much theirs to use.

As for Microsoft objecting...this comes from the people with trademarks on:

WINDOWS
OFFICE
WORD

Give me a friggin' break!!! They're having a bloody laugh!
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http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/en/us/IntellectualProperty/Trademarks/EN-US.aspx


theelysium said:
"App Store" is not a lame trade mark. No one said "Apps" until Apple started it on the iPhone. They own it. The lamest trademark is "Windows", cuz every OS in the world uses windows. They should have called it "infestation", because that's what your up against when you use their crappy OS.
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if windows was so crappy, why does it have such a large market share and run on nearly every piece of hardware in the entire consumer market? as well as the corporate sector?

iLilana said:
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apple will argue no and that MS should call its store the EXE STORE. then demand royalties for the awesome name suggestion.
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you mean they called it Marketplace?

wp7marketplace2.jpg


also WP7 uses XAP files, not EXE,
 
I still think Apple should lose this lawsuit. App Store is clearly generic or descriptive of what it does, but lacks significant secondary meaning. I don't think people think of the Apple's App Store they hear the term App Store. I think people tend to think of it as whatever store is associated with their phone.
 
bananasquiddly said:
Microsoft trademarked "Windows" for use in a product that has nothing to do with actual Windows. They can't stop someone who is selling actual windows from using the word "windows" in their name/marketing/etc.

On the other hand, Apple is trying to trademark the generic term "App Store" to refer to an actual app store. It's not just a cute name like Windows is - it's an actual description of the product (or service, or whatever).

If anything, I would think Apple would be particularly sensitive to issues like this after their drama with Apple Corps.
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You are so wrong. "Windows" is just as generic as "App Store".

On one hand you have every OS in the world using a GUI system that has "Windows" in it. On the other you have "Apps Store", but not every OS in the world calls their software "Apps". Other names would be Program or Software.

What's more generic.... "Windows" or "App Store"?

That's right "Windows".:D
 
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Salacion said:
I don't get how 'Windows' is generic. If it were 'Operating System' on the other hand...

'App Store' is not a specific term.
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What?!? Lol LogicFail!

With your logic "App Store" really isn't generic. If it were "Application Store" on the other hand. . .


Hopefully Apple will win, so this crap can be over. Microsoft pull up your pantys and start thinking of a store name for your nonexistence apps. :)
 
pjarvi said:
Windows is a product, App Store is a service. Apples and Oranges (no pun intended).
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I'm not sure what your point is, a trademark is a trademark. Specifically what it is for is irrelevant (certainly BOTH product and service names CAN be trademarked). Some people have some weird ideas.
 
samcraig said:
Wow - could you be more wrong? No one said Apps until Apple and the iPhone. You must be young. Very young. Many people for years have used the term Apps. The first PALM had "apps". And the term predates the palm.

But I don't expect someone who is so vehemently against Microsoft to post anything else based on the rest of your post.

I don't think Microsoft (or Nokia, or anyone else) would object if Apple wanted to trademark "Apple App Store" or iTunes App Store
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your right, the term app is short for application, punch cards were "applications"
 
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