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Apple Delaying Telegram From Releasing Major App Store Update, Telegram CEO Says [Updated]

alexandr said:
Thanks, curious :)
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Having an issue with screen recording on my Android - Nova 7 issue
So I recorded video via my 13PM. Also included what a message looks like on Android vs the received message on the 13 ProMax.
The actual packs in Telegram. The way they look in Telegram (Android). They way they look in Telegram (iOS).





 
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dk001 said:
Having an issue with screen recording on my Android - Nova 7 issue
So I recorded video via my 13PM. Also included what a message looks like on Android vs the received message on the 13 ProMax.
The actual packs in Telegram. The way they look in a Message (Android). They way they look in Telegram (iOS).
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Ha ha, thanks! They're nice, but jeez, not quite up to Durov's hype)
 
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dk001 said:
I’m going to spend some time going through this. They really added a lot to this release.
Over-hyped for sure but it will get folks looking at the app who might not otherwise.
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As I've mentioned in a previous post, it was their video memos that completely took me over. I've brought over at least a dozen people to Telegram since then. :)
 
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Abazigal said:
The thing is that anti-trust law in the US looks at harm done to consumers, while EU law looks at damage done to businesses, hence the difference in actions taken. That's what makes regulating these tech companies so tricky. They owe their huge market share to providing a great service to consumers. For example, many people use google search because it is that good at what it does. How would you propose regulating Google? Force them to make their search results worse so other options like DDG have a fighting chance?

It's the same thing with Apple. You can argue that their App Store may be a disservice to certain app developers, but at the end of the day, app developers are not Apple's customers. We are, and we buy into the Apple ecosystem precisely because we believe that the walled garden approach is what allows for the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of users.

So it's not that their complaints don't matter, but I will argue that they don't really matter as far as US law is concerned.
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That’s actually probably an incredibly apt statement about the EU, re: harm done to businesses. That would make their seemingly extreme (at least from American eyes) amount of geographical indications make sense. (This was one of the points of contention with regard to the free trade agreement talks between the US and the EU from the US side.) It also makes sense of some of what I’ve read about the legal disputes between newspapers and Google/Facebook. It also explains some of the EU’s tendencies towards protectionism.

It’s ironic, though, given the US’s reputation of support for big business and the EU’s reputation of support for consumer rights. In reality, the myths we tell ourselves as nations often are only half truths. For example, France has something of an internal myth of being more centrist than strongly market socialist states like Sweden, but I read an article by a French commentator that pointed out that the supposedly more socialist countries had all either decreased or eliminated their death taxes while France’s was still very high, seemingly at odds with those national myths. (Death taxes are taxes on the estate of the deceased with the goal of preventing intergenerational transfers of wealth, in well-to-do families especially. Very similar to the US’s estate taxes, though the justification for estate taxes tends more to be for revenue reasons than as a putative tax. Support for them is strongly associated with socialists in Europe, hence the surprise that France has high ones yet the supposedly socialist European countries had gotten rid of or greatly reduced theirs.)
 
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lmao I can’t believe the revolutionary new feature is MSN Custom Emoticons from MSN Messenger circa 2006

Except they’re even worse because you gotta pay for them and you can’t make your own
 
kc9hzn said:
That’s actually probably an incredibly apt statement about the EU, re: harm done to businesses. That would make their seemingly extreme (at least from American eyes) amount of geographical indications make sense. (This was one of the points of contention with regard to the free trade agreement talks between the US and the EU from the US side.) It also makes sense of some of what I’ve read about the legal disputes between newspapers and Google/Facebook. It also explains some of the EU’s tendencies towards protectionism.
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It doesn't help that these tech giants are all American companies. Google and Apple alone control virtually the entire smartphone market, while Facebook and Google dominate online ad revenue. Social media giants like Facebook and Twitter also give the US a lot of power when it comes to moderating content and influencing what people around the world get to see, though Tik Tok is arguably the bigger threat right now because of its ties with the Chinese government.

From a purely business standpoint, I don't agree with that the EU is proposing with regards to regulating Apple, but I can see where they are coming from because they do not want entire economies to be beholden to these few companies.
 
Abazigal said:
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From a purely business standpoint, I don't agree with that the EU is proposing with regards to regulating Apple, but I can see where they are coming from because they do not want entire economies to be beholden to these few companies.
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I guess if you can’t compete in the world market and need to use the worlds products, you regulate.
 
dk001 said:
I use Telegram with a number of friends and peers predominately that are outside the US.
The US side is growing slowly.

Works well.
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I use iMessage 99%, WhatsApp .7% and signal .3%. Have WhatsApp and signal for one person each.

I guess these cross-platform apps are trying to carve a niche for themselves but the competition is fierce.
 
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I7guy said:
I guess if you can’t compete in the world market and need to use the worlds products, you regulate.
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It's understandable, expected even, for the government of any country to want to act in its own best self interests, even if it may not seem "fair".

I am still waiting to see Apple's response to all this, because I don't believe they don't have a trump card up their sleeve and will just cave in to the EU's demands just like that.
 
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I7guy said:
I use iMessage 99%, WhatsApp .7% and signal .3%. Have WhatsApp and signal for one person each.

I guess these cross-platform apps are trying to carve a niche for themselves but the competition is fierce.
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IOS: IMessage, Signal, and Telegram in that order.
Android: Messages, Signal, and Telegram in that order.

Teams for work.
 
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So this cry baby CEO kicked up a fuss about being super oppressed because of an emoji?

LMAO

He can go back to counting his millions now.

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with all due respect to Telegram's management (who try to resist this stuff as much as they can at significant risk to themselves & their families) I sincerely hope that this "update" doesn't include GRU backdoors or other compromises the Russian government forced them to include under threat of "bad things" happening to them...
en.wikipedia.org

Telegram (software) - Wikipedia

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jlc1978 said:
Be careful what you wish for.

Sideloading is likely to have results that leave users worse off. Side loading on Android has enabled pirating to the point where app developers go to a fermium model to try to make money. A premium Android app, according to some statistics can have upwards of a 90% pirating rate. I think that number is high, but even if it is in the 20 - 30% range that’s still a big hit to small developers. As a result, they move to subscription models, with a limited free app, to combat piracy.

Apple currently can revoke certificates if an app becomes problematic, as they did to Facebook when one of its apps was collecting data on children. Sideloading ends that, unless Apple builds in strict sandboxing and requires an Apple issued certificate to install and be allowed access to user data. Even then, once a certificate is issued a bad actor could change the app, as has happened in apps even on the App Store. At least then Apple can take action once they find out.

Then there is malware that mimics a popular app.

The current system is not perfect. There are flaws and problems have occurred. I’m not convinced what people are clamoring for is going to make things better for users or small developers. Big developers such as Epic can afford their own distribution system; although I suspect if some decide to go to an all in app purchase system that captures all the app revenue while letting the app be free to download, Apple will either not host their app or find other ways to generate revenue from the big developers. Which will no doubt result in more whining from the big developers.

Of course, if Epic can bypass Apple’s markup I have no doubt they will lower their prices accordingly, since they are looking out for the consumer in their fight against big bad Apple.
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If you dont think the App Store is chock-full of spam apps, scam apps, and malware, you need to take a closer look.
 
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diddl14 said:
Single store works fine for me and the majority of iPhone users. And if not, there are many many other phones to pick from that feature side loading.
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Since there are "many many other phones" to choose from, which iPhone should people get if they want to sideload? What alternative app stores are present on iOS?
 
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I wonder when they update their TestFlight builds again… lacking behind the public release (8.8.x instead of 8.9.x)…
 
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