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Having a paid app on the AppStore now for almost 10 years, I'm totally happy with paying Apple the 30% (meanwhile 15%) commission. Without their platform, global distribution, payment services and I would have never ever been able to achieve such reach and review. Totally don't understand the whining of these tech billionaires (except their eagerness to make more profit).
A point everyone whining about the “Apple tax” misses; what developers get for their 15/30% cut is a good deal, much better than the old do it all on your own. As you point out, the big developers want to free ride on Apple and changes likely may hurt the smaller developers.

I suspect, if Apple told Epic, OK, distribute it yourself, just pay us for signing but you can’t do that and be on the App Store, Epic would whine about that as being “unfair” because they can’t access Apple’s large customer base for free.
 
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Telegram is also the new piratebay. So many public groups with direct downloads of new releases of movies and TV shows, so much that I actually found it amazing. :D
The more I hear people talk about Telegraph here, the more I think app review found something that everyone knows doesn’t fly with App Store app review (kinda like the Tumblr porn kerfuffle a few years ago), and the CEO knows exactly what’s going on but is playing obtuse. It’s like, “well, I can see why Apple is giving the app more scrutiny than usual” with each passing post in this thread!
 
My guess is that the app is being subjected to extreme scrutiny. Similar apps being compromised have literally lead to deaths (Looking at you, WhatsApp) and Apple wants to make sure it's not letting a compromised app onto the store.
 
My guess is Apple doesn't want to get sucked into a pirating lawsuit for enabling pirating of games so they simply ban emulators.

That makes no sense when Google allows them on the Play Store no problem.

Mac App store is dead because any one can download anything from any where.
If Apple opens up iOS app store it would exactly like Mac App store.
Why would any one want to go go through iOS app store guidelines on privacy.

if people leave the iOS App Store when iOS eventually does open up, ask yourself: Was it really a service worth using if the majority abandons it? Competition is healthy and would push Apple to actually improve the App Store lest they be left behind by better options. Besides, the Google Play Store is doing fine despite having other options, so the iOS App Store will be fine too.
 
That makes no sense when Google allows them on the Play Store no problem.



if people leave the iOS App Store when iOS eventually does open up, ask yourself: Was it really a service worth using if the majority abandons it? Competition is healthy and would push Apple to actually improve the App Store lest they be left behind by better options. Besides, the Google Play Store is doing fine despite having other options, so the iOS App Store will be fine too.
There’s no real evidence that that’s what would happen, though. iOS is not macOS, and macOS had a history of outside app sales before the Mac App Store. The sorts of people downloading and buying apps on macOS prior to the introduction of the Mac App Store had no real reason to go through the store. On iOS, the barrier to buying and downloading apps is a lot lower than it ever was on desktops, and so, people who’d never buy software online (at best, if they owned a computer, they probably bought software at big box retailers if they ever bought software) were now super comfortable with buying apps.

Besides, even on mobile platforms with multiple app stores, there seems to be a Pareto distribution/natural oligopoly. Any system that depends on mass scale is likely inevitably going to have an oligopoly of mainstream players with a long tail of niche players. Think how most countries have somewhere between two to five major cell phone networks, and then there might be a bunch of small regional cell phone carriers. App Stores likely exhibit the same characteristic. In order for the App Store not to be still a significant player in a post-side loading and alternate world, there would have to be a mass exodus of users and apps. Most users don’t appear to have any issue with the App Store, so it would have to be a mass exodus of apps. I’m not convinced most developers are upset enough with the App Store to trigger a mass exodus. (Besides, if you can be on multiple stores, it makes sense to be on the App Store because that’s where people are and where people will likely continue to be even if there’s App Store competition, down to user inertia, so no app exodus, so no user exodus.) In reality, the narrative in tech news (and lobbying efforts) seem to be getting set by some activist developers whose own ambitions clash with Apple’s (Epic* or Facebook**) or who are using the App Store as an excuse/explanation for mismanagement and money flow issues (Spotify)***. As evidence of my assertion, I present the dominant position of the Google Play Store on Android.

* Epic wants Epic Game Store to supplant Steam as the place to buy games and wants to be the dominant platform for it on mobile and desktop (probably console, too, if they can get away with it). Therefore, Apple’s App Store is directly at odds with their ambitions. Valve basically barely qualifies as a game developer anymore, they mostly maintain a few cash cow games and a game engine and sell everyone else’s games (even if they don’t use Valve’s engine), and Epic wants to be the new Valve.

** Apple’s privacy stance stands in sharp contrast to Facebook’s primary revenue source, so increased Apple emphasis on App Store privacy directly cuts into Facebook’s bottom line.

***IE, telling their investors “if we could have a subscription on the App Store without paying a fee to Apple, we’d be in much better fiscal shape”, while, in reality, bundles, developing world subsidies, and other management decisions that prioritized market share growth over profit are seriously eroding Spotify’s bottom line. This would have been an immanently foreseeable problem due to the fact that licensing fees for music grow the more users you have. The corporate strategy was to somehow use market share growth either to eventually drive profits or to make Spotify a sweeter acquisition target (I suspect it’s the latter).
 
An update has just been released on the App Store. Probably not the version with the revolutionary update?
 
That makes no sense when Google allows them on the Play Store no problem.
Apple has a bigger target on it's corporate backside.
if people leave the iOS App Store when iOS eventually does open up, ask yourself: Was it really a service worth using if the majority abandons it?
Well if popular apps leave the app store so the devs can inject some malware, spyware and phishingware, and people follow, the answer to the above is what?
Competition is healthy
100%. But the app store is legally owned and operated by apple and has not been found to be in violation of anti-trust laws. What you meant to say is competition in the form another platform, open as android, but not android is very healthy. Governmental interference isn't.
and would push Apple to actually improve the App Store
Most likely there will be high profile scams and Apple will take it on the chin.
lest they be left behind by better options.
Well you are more than welcome to develop your own platform and show the better options.
Besides, the Google Play Store is doing fine despite having other options, so the iOS App Store will be fine too.
Don't know what doing fine means. You think it's doing fine or google does?
 
Here is the Telegram update:
 

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Yeah Google's lawyers actually understand the game industry and the legality of emulation from Sony vs Connectix.



Then that's on Apple to prove the App Store is the better choice...which they've failed to do.
The other reason why Apple generally doesn’t allow emulation is that it’s a security risk. Emulators, except for the simplest of systems, usually require executable memory. On iOS, that’s a privilege usually reserved for a select few system apps that truly need it (mostly Safari).
 
Here is the Telegram update:
The “revolutionary” new feature is probably the new sticker panel, I could just see something lame like that being it. Either that, or the ability to gift Telegram Premium.
 
Apple has a bigger target on it's corporate backside.

Bro all of big tech has a big target, and for good reason. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, and Meta are all getting it.

Well if popular apps leave the app store so the devs can inject some malware, spyware and phishingware, and people follow, the answer to the above is what?

Then it wasn't a good app to begin with and that's on the user for still using it.

100%. But the app store is legally owned and operated by apple and has not been found to be in violation of anti-trust laws.

The Digital Markets Act says otherwise, as well as other government oversight in South Korea and Japan. There's also other antitrust legislation moving in the US such as the Open App Markets Act.

What you meant to say is competition in the form another platform, open as android, but not android is very healthy. Governmental interference isn't.

On iOS Apple is the sole app distribution system, while on Android you have the Play Store, the phone maker's own store like the Samsung Store, F-Droid, downloading direct, etc.

Now you may say "Well then switch to Android" and 10 years ago you'd be right. Nowadays that's not gonna slide since Apple and Google now share a duopoly on the entire mobile market. Every phone is either an iPhone, or an Android fork. Especially with the large market share the iPhone has in the world, in some regions like the US and Japan absolutely dominating it, then it becomes a problem. It's why the Digital Markets Act was made and why the Open App Markets Act is moving in congress with bipartisan support.

Most likely there will be high profile scams and Apple will take it on the chin.

THERE ALREADY ARE HIGH PROFILE SCAMS ON THE APP STORE! Did you forget the Slime Therapy scam app fiasco that Apple themselves promoted on their front page?!

Or the more recent news of scam apps figuring out how to disguise themselves to sneak past app review?


Well you are more than welcome to develop your own platform and show the better options.

Ahh yes the classic strawman. "Well make your own mobile OS then if the duopoly has become such a problem." Great argument. I'm sure that would hold up in a US Senate or EU Parliament Hearing when Microsoft said the same thing during United States of America vs Microsoft in the late 90s.

Don't know what doing fine means. You think it's doing fine or google does?

Well seeing as only 3% of all Android users sideload apps and primarily use the Play or Samsung Store, yeah it's doing fine lmao.
 
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Yeah Google's lawyers actually understand the game industry and the legality of emulation from Sony vs Connectix.
Or have a different view on an emulator that uses bootleg roms instead of the original disks, possibly opening up to a lawsuit. Connectix reversed engineered Sony’s system but ran the original disks( they even took steps to prevent copies from working.
 
Bro all of big tech has a big target, and for good reason. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, and Meta are all getting it.
Bro, Apple has a bigger target, imo, than all of the above.
Then it wasn't a good app to begin with and that's on the user for still using it.
Basically any dev that wants to do what they want. Inject malware, spyware, porn, vape, etc.
The Digital Markets Act says otherwise, as well as other government oversight in South Korea and Japan. There's also other antitrust legislation moving in the US such as the Open App Markets Act.
No it doesn't. That legislation is terrible and is forcing bad changes.
On iOS Apple is the sole app distribution system, while on Android you have the Play Store, the phone maker's own store like the Samsung Store, F-Droid, downloading direct, etc.
It's still legal. Honda has monopoly on the distribution of Accords.
Now you may say "Well then switch to Android" and 10 years ago you'd be right. Nowadays that's not gonna slide since Apple and Google now share a duopoly on the entire mobile market.
With hundreds of phone manufacturers there is a little more than a duopoly.
Every phone is either an iPhone, or an Android fork.
iphone, samsung, oppo, etc.
Especially with the large market share the iPhone has in the world, in some regions like the US and Japan absolutely dominating it,
US and Japan are not the world. iphone has a worldwide minority share, but does pull in it's share of revenue.
then it becomes a problem. It's why the Digital Markets Act was made and why the Open App Markets Act is moving in congress with bipartisan support.
Basically the world will get android. We'll see if this passes in the US. Terrible legislation.
THERE ALREADY ARE HIGH PROFILE SCAMS ON THE APP STORE! Did you forget the Slime Therapy scam app fiasco that Apple themselves promoted on their front page?!
Don't throw the baby out with the bath-water. It's about to get much, much worse.
Or the more recent news of scam apps figuring out how to disguise themselves to sneak past app review?
After some of these laws pass, there won't be any sneaking past app reviews. They will come in the front door.
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Ahh yes the classic strawman. "Well make your own mobile OS then if the duopoly has become such a problem." Great argument. I'm sure that would hold up in a US Senate or EU Parliament Hearing when Microsoft said the same thing during United States of America vs Microsoft in the late 90s.
It's called competition. People should actually try it, instead of getting government to pass bad legislation.
Well seeing as only 3% of all Android users sideload apps and primarily use the Play or Samsung Store, yeah it's doing fine lmao.
Ok, in your opinion.
 
The other reason why Apple generally doesn’t allow emulation is that it’s a security risk.

Emulators are sandboxed, so what risk is there? iDOS, RetroArch, PPSSPP, and other jailbreak emulators all run in a sandbox environment. Emulators on Xbox consoles are also sandboxed.


Emulators, except for the simplest of systems, usually require executable memory. On iOS, that’s a privilege usually reserved for a select few system apps that truly need it (mostly Safari).

Now this is an actual reason for why they wouldn't allow emulators, which is just another problem with the App Store in general and why developers are calling for Apple to open up. A lot of developers want to use resources like ARKit but Apple won't let them since they're not an "Approved partner"
 
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Emulators are sandboxed, so what risk is there? iDOS, RetroArch, PPSSPP, and other jailbreak emulators all run in a sandbox environment. Emulators on Xbox consoles are also sandboxed.




Now this is an actual reason for why they wouldn't allow emulators, which is just another problem with the App Store in general and why developers are calling for Apple to open up. A lot of developers want to use resources like ARKit but Apple won't let them since they're not an "Approved partner"
Executable memory IS a security risk, that’s the security risk I was referring to. Marking pages of memory as executable means that you open the risk of buffer overflow attacks and other common security risks. Plus, large chunks of executable memory have the potential to break memory randomization, which is an important modern security technique for mitigating buffer overflows, heap attacks, and the like.
 
Bro, Apple has a bigger target, imo, than all of the above.

Has Apple been sued by the US government yet? No? Only Meta so far? Well then no they don't have the bigger target...yet.

Basically any dev that wants to do what they want. Inject malware, spyware, porn, vape, etc.

[Citation needed]

No it doesn't. That legislation is terrible and is forcing bad changes.

App Store competition and user choice is "bad changes?"

It's still legal. Honda has monopoly on the distribution of Accords.

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With hundreds of phone manufacturers there is a little more than a duopoly.

iphone, samsung, oppo, etc.

Duopoly on the mobile market, as in there are only two OSs: iOS and Android. That's it. Any other OS out there is a fork of Android, which still goes through Google. 10 years ago we had Amazon's mobile OS and Windows Phone, both of which are dead and have been replaced with Android. So while phone hardware itself is not a duopoly, the software for said phones are, which is the problem when one of the players in the duopoly controls the platform with an iron fist.

US and Japan are not the world. iphone has a worldwide minority share, but does pull in it's share of revenue.

Europe is 30% which is still a massive noticeable userbase, and iPhone is growing in China

Basically the world will get android. We'll see if this passes in the US. Terrible legislation.

I'm starting to think you just hate Androids in general.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath-water. It's about to get much, much worse.

That's Apple's problem.

After some of these laws pass, there won't be any sneaking past app reviews. They will come in the front door.

Fun fact: In the most recent version of Android, Android 13, they've added some extra security measures to sideloaded APKs, something Apple already does with macOS with Gatekeeper. https://www.androidauthority.com/android-13-sideloading-apps-restrictions-3161162/

It's called competition. People should actually try it, instead of getting government to pass bad legislation.

"People should actually try making their own railroad company instead of getting President Theodore Roosevelt to make the Sherman Act. James J. Hill, E.H. Harriman, and J.P. Morgan are in their right to control their railroads."

"People should actually try making their own desktop OS that allows third party web browsers instead of getting the US Justice Department to sue Microsoft. They're in their right to only allow Internet Explorer since Windows is their OS."

Congratulations on learning about antitrust legislation and government regulation and why it exists.

Ok, in your opinion.

Yeah I'm really leaning in that you're a phone warrer who just hates Androids. "Freedom to use the device you paid for however you wanted? Dear god no only Androids do that! I don't wanna be associated with them!"
 
Has Apple been sued by the US government yet? No? Only Meta so far? Well then no they don't have the bigger target...yet.
Yet, Apple still has a big target on it's back. Apple hasn't been sued by the US Government, probably due to their business model is legal.
[Citation needed]
Citation is not needed. It's a fact. Look at the various app stores and see that devs can do anything they want, unless they are caught.
App Store competition and user choice is "bad changes?"
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Duopoly on the mobile market, as in there are only two OSs: iOS and Android. That's it. Any other OS out there is a fork of Android, which still goes through Google. 10 years ago we had Amazon's mobile OS and Windows Phone, both of which are dead and have been replaced with Android. So while phone hardware itself is not a duopoly, the software for said phones are, which is the problem when one of the players in the duopoly controls the platform with an iron fist.
Technically there are more than two o/s with hundreds of phone manufacturers. If competition is so important, there is always room for more competition; the next best idea, the disruptor. None of these pending laws are going to make that. They are only going to give away for free, someone else intellectual property.
Europe is 30% which is still a massive noticeable userbase, and iPhone is growing in China
China is not the issue. Thgat leaves 70% android.
I'm starting to think you just hate Androids in general.
No I hate this legislation in particular.
That's Apple's problem.
No that's everybody's issue.
Fun fact: In the most recent version of Android, Android 13, they've added some extra security measures to sideloaded APKs, something Apple already does with macOS with Gatekeeper. https://www.androidauthority.com/android-13-sideloading-apps-restrictions-3161162/
Cool stuff.
"People should actually try making their own railroad company instead of getting President Theodore Roosevelt to make the Sherman Act. James J. Hill, E.H. Harriman, and J.P. Morgan are in their right to control their railroads."
Well that's an apt analogy. Substitute water company and now you have an identical analogy to what is happening with the cell phone market. Well not exactly. Railroads were critical to US society and the railroads actually did bad things. If Apple went belly up, people would still have cell phone choices are there are hundreds of manufacturers out there.
"People should actually try making their own desktop OS that allows third party web browsers instead of getting the US Justice Department to sue Microsoft. They're in their right to only allow Internet Explorer since Windows is their OS."
Microsoft got dinged because of it's holier than thou attitude back then.
Congratulations on learning about antitrust legislation and government regulation and why it exists.
Copy and paste is easy on the internet.
Yeah I'm really leaning in that you're a phone warrer who just hates Androids. "Freedom to use the device you paid for however you wanted? Dear god no only Androids do that! I don't wanna be associated with them!"
You got it wrong. Buy the consumer product that meets your needs. Don't buy the consumer product that doesn't. Dear god, it's really a novel concept.
 
A point everyone whining about the “Apple tax” misses; what developers get for their 15/30% cut is a good deal, much better than the old do it all on your own.
It's up to the person paying for something to decide what's a good deal or not. So allow other ways to distribute apps and let developers decide whether to continue distributing through Apple. If it's such a good deal, Apple has nothing to fear by doing that, right?
 
My guess is Apple doesn't want to get sucked into a pirating lawsuit for enabling pirating of games so they simply ban emulators.
My even better guess: it’s not about lawsuits. It’s about having a monopoly on selling games for iOS and charge $$$ for that.
Having a paid app on the AppStore now for almost 10 years, I'm totally happy with paying Apple the 30% (meanwhile 15%) commission. Without their platform, global distribution, payment services and I would have never ever been able to achieve such reach and review
Great. More power to you.
I‘m all for you having that App Store.
Just don’t make it the only source to install software from.
I don't really give a **** about some EU ****. lol.
Oh, the way things have been going lately (Apple only giving in and doing the bare minimum to comply with regulations in specific countries), chances are you‘d still be able to buy your locked-down phone in markets where Apple isn’t required to open up.
With hundreds of phone manufacturers there is a little more than a duopoly.
As has been said dozens of times: the competition between phone manufacturers is very irrelevant to the distribution of apps, if and as long they’re all running the same OS.

Lack of competition between between phone manufacturers is a non-issue. Nobody’s concerned about that. That’s why lawmakers aren’t targeting phone manufacturers - they are targeting software platforms and their developers/operators.

That said, I’m sure the next time this comes up (“there’s basically only iOS/App Store and Android/Play Store, and it’s virtually a duopoly”), you will again try divert from the point by arguing there’s dozens, hundreds of “phone manufacturers”, hence competition.
 
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Durov on Telegram today on what the update was.

https://t.me/durov/191

After extensive media coverage of my previous post, Apple got back to us with a demand to water down our pending Telegram update by removing Telemoji – higher quality vector-animated versions of the standard emoji.

This is a puzzling move on Apple's behalf, because Telemoji would have brought an entire new dimension to its static low-resolution emoji and would have significantly enriched their ecosystem.


It was an interesting engineering challenge to ensure that hundreds of vector-based emoji with smooth animations could simultaneously play on the screen of any mobile phone. Telegram is the first company ever to have implemented this in a mobile app.
 
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