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Apple Delays Rollout of Controversial Child Safety Features to Make Improvements
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No need to wait. We can judge what they currently said. "Delayed".
I bet this will be canceled quietly in a few months. The backlash was huge, it’s not worth the bad PR for Apple. It was a bad idea from the start and I’m glad Apple is now doing the right thing.
Clearly she and I disagree...
Emotional viewpoints like this are not anchored in reason, fact or any sort of technical understanding.
Apple designed this feature with privacy, safety and security in mind. They've clearly explained how it works. There no privacy invasion for those that aren't storing questionable content. Zero. Zip.
One good thing comes out of this... those looking to use Apple's systems to create and store questionable content are not safely hiding. Eyes are on you, regardless of this feature being enabled or not.
Emotional viewpoints like this are not anchored in reason, fact or any sort of technical understanding.
Apple designed this feature with privacy, safety and security in mind. They've clearly explained how it works. There no privacy invasion for those that aren't storing questionable content. Zero. Zip.
One good thing comes out of this... those looking to use Apple's systems to create and store questionable content are not safely hiding. Eyes are on you, regardless of this feature being enabled or not.
How was it a "bad" idea? Please elaborate.
And don't justify with "what if" scenarios. Challenge on.
You‘re right. The fact that they didn’t see this coming is incomprehensible. This is Steve Balmer level stupidity.
Okay, so what is there to judge? There's literally no information. Are we supposed to discuss for 40+ pages of what "delayed" possibly means? Come on. We need more information than just delayed. They're either going back to the drawing board, or they're gonna tweak it slightly but be mostly the same.
It would be quicker to copy a link to Apple’s marketing page.
I find this very unlikely. Not one of these *******s is going to be so stupid to sync with a public cloud service, where the evidence is easily acquired via court order. (Court orders are fine, btw).
the type of animal we hunt is not dumb, or ignorant. They are smart, cunning, and that makes them dangerous. As such, they do not use something like iCloud Photo Library.
it would affect us, the innocent ones, due to the slippery slope you mention. It would open us to misuse of the technology while turning apple into something they are not. Evidence needs to be gathered via appropriate court orders. it is one of the Pilars of democracy. (And very inconvenient, I am sure).
Probably the only way Apple can go here. The announcement was atypically botched, I think. It makes sense to make sure the process and the message all align to Apple's stated commitment to user privacy.
Yeah, Apple is incompetent. Nobody even used their brain. They just decided they wanted to tarnish their brand in a very bad way and let millions of people cancel all their services and buy their competitor's products. Yeah, I think that's definitely what happened. They are so dumb.
I wonder how many innocent people are thrown in jail every day due to false flags on other cloud services. Apparently it's a very common problem according to people on this forum.
The folk arguing against the “what ifs” will be the same people saying “Oh well, nothing we can do about it now …” a few months down the line.
But there is something we can do about it. Turn off iCloud Photos if we're uncomfortable with it. Meanwhile, I'll continue using it because it's a non-issue for me. If you saw my photo library, it's all stupid stuff. I have nothing to feel worried about, so I don't worry.
There IS information. Apple said that it is delayed. There are many in this thread who are cheering as if Apple stated they would cancel CSAM implementation. The proper response, IMO, is to wait and see before celebrating.
I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. I don’t think this is something Apple should be trying to tackle. I was only saying that at a high level then trying to stop their platforms from being used for this kind of filth isn’t in and of itself bad, but how they are trying to accomplish it seems to be flawed.
I suspect we’ll eventually see this implemented on the iCloud server side only - with no on device scanning. And the code for this feature published.
I also think that Apple will have up offer full encryption on iCloud after the photos have been through the neural hash matching to help people accept this.
I also think that Apple will have up offer full encryption on iCloud after the photos have been through the neural hash matching to help people accept this.
Nailed it and nailed it. My only caveat would be "turning Apple into something they are not." How could they have even considered this? It seems that something has gone very wrong in the company. I wonder if the newly hired "woke" employees finally gained enough clout to push the development agenda, while the Jobsian old guard like Cook, Shiller, Cue have lost energy and clout. They seem to have gone from making "insanely great" products that improved the lives of their customers, to being totally "woke" and pursuing all sorts of social justice issues. A little of it we could take, but this was a bridge WAY too far.
I really hope It’s cancelled. Tech companies are great at ‘delaying’ and then sneaking it in later when nobody is looking and publicity on it has died down. Sigh. Let’s hope they change that delay to a cancel.
I think that ship has already sailed. iPhone 13 was my normal upgrade path, but no way now. No way. Going to try a Samsung or Pixel. At least you KNOW what you're getting. No Apple Watches, no Apple TV, no new iPads. Might think about a Mac, but not a sure thing anymore.
Apple probably did design this feature with privacy in mind, but it sets precedent for future scans for many different things (that we know and don’t know about) and its a slippery slope once its activated. Reason and technical understanding should not place FULL 100% trust in Apple and there must be a mention or even an acknowledgement that this can lead to future breaches of privacy both intentional and unintentional.