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Apple Delays Rollout of Controversial Child Safety Features to Make Improvements

icanhazmac said:
Great news!
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It’s an excellent news. Made my morning.

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DelayedGratificationGene said:
I wonder how many additional children will be victimized from now until then? Apple the greatest company in history with the greatest humanitarian intentions forced to deal with grandstanding ignorant politicians and self centered selfish advocacy groups. It’s unbelievable!
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Logical people giving reasonable objections to spying on user content and giving it to the government, but yeah, grandstanding and selfish.
 
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DelayedGratificationGene said:
I wonder how many additional children will be victimized from now until then? Apple the greatest company in history with the greatest humanitarian intentions forced to deal with grandstanding ignorant politicians and self centered selfish advocacy groups. It’s unbelievable!
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You're either trolling or being rather hyperbolic. How many children were victimized over the past 15 years when Apple didn't have this in place? Was Apple's inaction, say 5 years ago, promoting the abuse of children?

I support the CSAM measures Apple proposed but there were legitimate concerns with its implementation. I think many of the concerns were overblown and potential issues in my opinion did not outweigh the benefits; others have different opinions. The discussion is worth having. What Apple is doing is spending more time to assess the implementation and implications of this measure. Doing it correctly is important.
 
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TheYayAreaLiving said:
Oh god! Don’t just delay it. Cancel this, Apple. Can’t you see… people won’t be ordering the new iPhone 13 if you launch this child safety crap.
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I’ve spent a few weeks trying to figure out how to cut ties completely with iCloud… maybe more. I love Apple for privacy, not because I want them to be police. I already have tax dollars paying for police.
 
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The question is surely why does Apple not consult more widely in the first place about this societally-impacting issue? Even as an Apple fanboy, I am getting quite cross about Apple's arrogance and it is opening itself up to all sorts of criticism when, if it had some deference to people outside the glass donut, it may make better, more harmonious decisions.

I can't help thinking Apple is going down this road in order to appease the FBI or NSA, so that it can keep its encryption in place but slowly assist more with dynamic filtering of potentially illegal content. Chilling either way.
 
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The lack of backbone by Apple on some of these controversial situations they find themselves in is just astonishing to me. A massive corporate structure like that....get your crap together and then make your announcement. And then stick with it. There will always be backlash, some segment of people are always going to have a problem with a decision you make. But damn.....game that out on the front in before you put yourself out there and then ultimately run away with your tail between your legs when people make a big enough stink about what you did.
 
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gknewell said:
I understand why this is a slippery slope but I don’t like the idea of child predators breathing a sigh of relief.
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As a father, I share your contempt for anyone that would abuse or exploit children, but comments like this assume most of those scumbags are naive enough to store and share that material in ways that would make it readily detectable by something like CSAM. I believe most are not breathing a sigh of relief simply because this CSAM scheme was never a serious threat to what they do.

As I’ve said in related threads, I’m fine with Apple scanning whatever we upload to their cloud. Just don’t perform ANY portion of the scanning/verification process on my device.
 
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The US Constitution prohibits all government under its authority from doing extra judicial searches for very good and non academic reasons.

Apple acting as an arms length extra judicial searcher for any government is a terrible precedent.

The Slippery Slope analogy and warning exists for a reason and fully applies here.

Doing the wrong thing for the right reason* is still doing the wrong thing.

The only reasonable solution is for Apple to scrap this initiative, double-down on encryption, apologize to its stakeholders, and never do anything like it again.

*If Apple were coerced into doing this as appeasement by politicians, officials, or individuals, using threats to market access or of anti trust enforcements, Apple needs to issue a public statement outing the perpetrators.

The only reasonable solution is for Apple to scrap this initiative and never do anything like it again.

To paraphrase Kirk and the experimental computer MC5’s ultimate exchange:
Kirk: What must you do to atone for your sins?
MC5: This unit must die. <shuts down>.
 
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A Pyrrhic victory.

Don't worry, in short order this will come back and be presented in a different light but with the same underlying concerns. Ostensibly- a drop in architecture that can eventually be replaced with searching for any signs of dissent, thought crime, the list goes on.

Plus the toothpaste of trust broken can't simply be put back into the tube: they insisted we didn't understand it, we were looking at it wrong, etc. etc.

How about an apology for insulting the intelligence of your user base and poor judgment?

The gaslighting failed miserably. And it is reported that Congress forced Apple to implement this.

They ought to roll out beta enablement of this exclusively to Congress, those sickos. And Apple ought to examine how bipolar they are to go on a big PR privacy push, only to reverse it and then some in the same year. Their brand is a mess.
 
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They are thinking of delaying the feature or they are delaying the release the feature just like how they delayed the Group FaceTime [released post iOS 12.0] which was mentioned in Samsung's Ingenius ads way back...

And it seems since the reaction to iOS 11.x they have been delaying features to be available on the x.1 release or later versions...
 
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A Pyrrhic victory.

Don't worry, in short order this will come back and be presented in a different light but with the same underlying concerns. A drop in architecture that can eventually be replaced with searching for any signs of dissent, thought crime, the list goes on.

Plus the toothpaste of trust broken can't simply be put back into the tube: they insisted we didn't understand it, we were looking at it wrong, etc. etc.

The gaslighting failed miserably. And it is reported that Congress forced Apple to implement this.

They ought to roll out beta enablement of this exclusively to Congress, those sickos. And Apple ought to examine how bipolar they are to go on a big PR privacy push, only to reverse it and then some in the same year. Their brand is a mess.
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Congress may have forced Apple to implement this. But I hope Apple is fighting back and seeing how it’s backfiring.
 
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