That’s my point. The on-device software needs iCloud to function. It can’t do anything on its own.
You keep repeating this falsehood. It doesn't "need" iCloud. It runs entirely on the local device. It's simply currently configured to operate only if photos are destined for iCloud. That aspect of its operation could easily be determined with nothing more than a software flag, where flipping the flag, or "switch", would enable it to scan regardless of iCloud photo backup/sharing.
No worries there….just breathe and relax. Hanson is washed up. His show was chopped because of allegations of entrapment and harassment. He also got evicted from his home and charged with writing thousands of dollars worth of counterfeit checks - not once but twice.
But your phone has no idea if somethings a match or not. It’s completely blind. The only way to tell if something is a match is to upload it to iCloud. That’s how it works. That’s why the system does absolutely nothing if you have iCloud Photo Library turned off. Without uploading the vouchers, the phone itself can’t tell if there’s a match or not.
That was worthwhile. Thanks for posting!
You're conflating two things: What it does and what it's capable of doing. They are not the same thing. Perhaps you really don't grasp the difference? It currently does not scan unless iCloud photo sharing is enabled. But there's nothing to prevent it from doing so, as it is not dependent upon iCloud, as you suggested. iCloud could exist not at all and it could still function.
That particular poster has always had that attitude, also an attitude of elitism over Android users.
The device is capable of a lot of things that it doesn’t do. That doesn’t mean it’s going to do those things haha. Just because it’s capable doesn’t mean anything to me.
No, what makes it a fact is that it is, in reality a fact: The on-device CSAM scanner no more depends upon iCloud than an archer needs a target to release an arrow. It also appears to be a fact you're either unable, or unwilling, either to understand or to concede that fact.
You are actually wrong about this. Apple isn’t just running through a list of hashes to see if one matches and then choosing whether on not to dial home based on a ‘flag’. They are running the matching process entirely as a cryptographic technique, only part of which runs on the phone. The phone’s software cannot know whether the process yields a match. Also the phone does not ever have the CSAM hashes in a readable format either, so even if some sidecar code were secretly added to do a trivial match test outside of the encrypted computation, it wouldn’t be able to interpret the DB. (That’s an essential part of Private Set Intersection).
My point is the initial scanning takes place entirely on the device:
Ref: CSAM Detection: Technical Summary
They're already planning to do a thing I fear. I don't have to wait for "one day."
I award you Troll of the week, congratulations 😂
Well, no, your point was that the scanner does not depend on iCloud and could function without it and that this is a fact, it’s scary and and that people claiming otherwise were lying. I would say a ‘scanner’ that can produce no useable scan data without an iCloud counterpart, depends on iCloud. If you see it differently then we’re either playing semantics with ‘scanner’ and ‘depends’ or we’re deep into ‘tree falls in a forest’, both of which are totally fine if discussed honestly, but it would be a bit weird to call anyone who disagrees a liar.
Only Apple wants to scans on device for CSAM, so there's lots of choices other than to unplug.
The scanner does not and can, but...
I concede your first point, but I take issue with my calling him a liar. I suggested he either misunderstood the objection or was arguing in bad faith. I came to the conclusion it was the latter.
If your point is that, if Apple were antagonistic towards privacy, that they could use their existing indexing (and other semantic-tagging) methods with much better precision, then yep --- I agree.
