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Apple Delays Rollout of Controversial Child Safety Features to Make Improvements

Mr_Ed said:
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As I’ve said in related threads, I’m fine with Apple scanning whatever we upload to their cloud. Just don’t perform ANY portion of the scanning/verification process on my device.
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You shouldn't even be fine with that. Suppose you're a journalist uploading sensitive information to Apple's allegedly secure iCloud. You absolutely wouldn't want anyone or anything snooping on that data. Unless you're in China, of course, where there really isn't such a thing as privacy.
 
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Dump the whole thing.

They better not dare to think about trying to sneak it in a small update when nobody is looking because that will be a lawsuit from hell.

The cynic in me says they’ll try and make it so that nobody can reverse engineer it and study it. Apple hates criticism so I can see them coming back with a vengeance by pulling a stunt like that.

Gotta feed the child-savior complex or whatever.
 
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mymacrumorsname said:
Nah. I don't care. I will buy some of the next iPhones. I still don't see any issue with this. I read all the arguments. I disagree with most of them. Your government is reading all of your communication anyway. And Europe's communication as well, so they basically know everything about you anyways. It is nothing new. If you didn't care back then how come ppl. want to care now?
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So instead of caring about both of them you logic is caring about neither.

Do you work for Apple or something?
 
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gknewell said:
I understand why this is a slippery slope but I don’t like the idea of child predators breathing a sigh of relief.
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If a "child predator" was stupid enough to upload their CSAM photos to iCloud, I can promise you they are going to get caught some other way. This system was not going to help stop abusers - it was only going to make everyone's phones less secure.
 
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I'd be open to the messages feature being an option for parents to use if they want, but the scanning of all images uploaded to iCloud is just too much. It's too easy for actual criminals to avoid, too easy to be mis-used by other state actors, etc. It feels more like a feature meant to put Apple in the clear in the event they're accused of aiding (or simply not doing enough to stop) child predators.

I'd really like to know more about the groups that Apple has consulted with in the creation of these tools. I'm assuming its largely driven by child advocacy organizations and enforcement agencies, both of which, I suspect, care more about solving the problem at nearly any cost and less about the ramifications on civil liberties and the downside of people getting incorrectly caught up in the system.
 
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Lol! It doesn't work like that and your post shows that you don't understand the issue here at all.

Those predators would just switch phones etc. However, the privacy would be compromised and a bad actor would take advantage of this and eventually we would all be victims here.
You can't have good backdoor and this certainly wasn't good idea. In theory, it was noble for the cause but it wouldn't really solve much but would cause too much harm eventually.

I hope this gets cancelled completely.

DelayedGratificationGene said:
I wonder how many additional children will be victimized from now until then? Apple the greatest company in history with the greatest humanitarian intentions forced to deal with grandstanding ignorant politicians and self centered selfish advocacy groups. It’s unbelievable!
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As a long time Apple employee I am thankful that Craig F answered my emails about this and continued replying back and forth about this. I do think they are re-thinking this approach.
 
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hcherry said:
I'd be open to the messages feature being an option for parents to use, but the scanning of all images uploaded to iCloud is just too much. It's too easy for actual criminals to avoid, too easy to be mis-used by other state actors, etc. It feels more like a feature meant to put Apple in the clear in the event they're accused of aiding (or simply not doing enough to stop) child predators.
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Scanning of all images on iCloud already happens, everywhere.
 
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The sane answer has always been to do the scanning on the iCloud servers - just like every other cloud company. They own the servers, we own the phones.

That also means that there are no loopholes e.g. OSX, Web based iCloud access.

Also, we keep our phones private. Win Win.

I think Apple just got ahead of themselves with the neural/AI powerhouse that they have on iPhones and tried (... but failed ) to design an elegant solution to what is a very real problem.
 
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rpmurray said:
Looks like the pedos can breathe a sigh of relief.
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Not really. Said pedo would have to be dumb as a sack of carrots to be tripped up by this process. They will just turn off iCloud photos. They will probably do that anyway now that the proposal has been published.
 
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Tres said:
How are they spying on you?

They're running an algorithm that doesn't actually analyze the content of your images, it simply checks to see if the same identifier comes up as known CSAM
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If it isn't analyzing photos then how can it "check" them and come up with the hash? You have some logical problems with your statement.
 
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DelayedGratificationGene said:
Ya know…I’ll take the risk to save even one child….
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But it won't. Your taking the risk because it makes you feel better to hear grandstanding and worthless rhetoric.

It would however, save one child if we stopped using automobiles (4200 per year). What is your stand on that?

It would however, save one child if we stopped vaccinating children. What is your stand on that? I know, more would die if they were not vaccinated. But you don't know that because the CDC does not keep accurate records. Read the CDC documents and see what contortions they go through to justify the vaccine deaths.

If would however, save one child if we stopped letting children swim(1200 per year). What is your stand on that?
 
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