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French startups? That's an oxymoron if ever I heard one. The French don't even have a word for entrepreneur.

Umm…

entrepreneur
[...]
Etymology
Borrowed from French entrepreneur.

So, one could argue that English-speakers don't have a word for "entrepreneur" and had to borrow it from French.

EDIT: Or maybe I just got whooshed by the joke… :-/
 
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If you don't like the deal offered, don't write the app. If you don't want to pay Amazon 30% don't post items to sell on Amazon. Pure and simple French government pandering to people who expect Apple/Google/Whoever to provide them with a platform to sell their products for free. Maybe the French developers will get a better deal from Huawei. Silliness, but the French attorney community will be smiling:)
Right, the typical "gtfo if you don't like it" response. And if you don't like capitalism, go live in the woods right?

That's just naive. These big companies (Apple, Google, Amazon) profit disproportionately from their position of monopoly (Ok, duopoly in the smartphone business, but still as bad as a monopoly) and the developers have very little choice or say in their policies. The biggest value in networked platforms like an App Store is created by the users and the developers, not by the platform provider. If you don't believe this, just look at what happened to every platform provider out there that didn't have enough developers.

30% cut is fine considering infrastructure, iCloud, download servers and go on....
All the infrastructure and servers in the world would be worthless if you don't have enough developers on your platform.
 
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...it should be illegal to rewrite Terms & Conditions anyway.
If Apple/Google/faithbook... decide to rewrite Terms&Conditions on their own, it must not be a forced upon the customer (except required by law). If it is, Apple/Google must be forced to refund the customer for all the customers investments in their ecosystem which they can no longer use when disagreeing with the new T&Cs.

This should have been taken care of long ago. Valve/Steam has robbed me of purchases by new T&Cs AFTER my purchase, disabling content in several regions. Such thing is illegal by WTO rules, but not really punished as there's no national law.
 
Right, the typical "gtfo if you don't like it" response. And if you don't like capitalism, go live in the woods right?

That's just naive. These big companies (Apple, Google, Amazon) profit disproportionately from their position of monopoly (Ok, duopoly in the smartphone business, but still as bad as a monopoly) and the developers have very little choice or say in their policies. The biggest value in networked platforms like an App Store is created by the users and the developers, not by the platform provider. If you don't believe this, just look at what happened to every platform provider out there that didn't have enough ....
And how are the android independents doing? The reason Apple is successful is due to their developers, ecosystem and platform. It took some time to develop but Apple provides a robust development environment intent, safe haven for your app, show casing, etc. it’s precisely this reason the Apple has best of breed apps and has attracted a wide development audience. It is in no danger of becoming a developer-less platform.

And there is much truth in that if you don’t like it “gtfo”. If you don’t want a speeding ticket don’t speed. If you “hate” the US live in Canada. If you think Apple App Store policies are nonsense, develop for android or windows, etc.
 
And how are the android independents doing? The reason Apple is successful is due to their developers, ecosystem and platform. It took some time to develop but Apple provides a robust development environment intent, safe haven for your app, show casing, etc. it’s precisely this reason the Apple has best of breed apps and has attracted a wide development audience. It is in no danger of becoming a developer-less platform.

And there is much truth in that if you don’t like it “gtfo”. If you don’t want a speeding ticket don’t speed. If you “hate” the US live in Canada. If you think Apple App Store policies are nonsense, develop for android or windows, etc.
No, it's not a safe heaven. That's the whole point. Apple might kick you out for arbitrary reason. It's like sticking to the speed limit and still getting a speeding ticket. And that behaviour isn't limited to developers. Their forcing of policies and T&Cs upon their clients is unacceptable. Not just for Apple. I explained that above.

Apple and Google with their huge market share are subject to regulation. If you think having a duopoly or even monopoly has something to do with a working capitalistic system (that relies on enough competition) you should really read up on that.

Some geniuses bashing the EU regardin the taxes are also just showing of their lack of knowledge. Custom taxes for specific companies certainly are against capitalistic basics. If you want to complain about the EU... rest assured, there's enough. But the EU's treatment of Apple is not part of what you should complain about. Especially not as a US citizen when Apple moves their money to the EU... ;)
 
And there is much truth in that if you don’t like it “gtfo”. If you don’t want a speeding ticket don’t speed. If you “hate” the US live in Canada. If you think Apple App Store policies are nonsense, develop for android or windows, etc.
As far as I understand France considers Google's bargaining power just as excessive and in need for a limitation as Apple's.

"Take it or gtfo" is *not* universally true: in the EU an excessive bargaining power imbalance between the parties involved in a contract can lead to a limitation of contractual freedom to protect the weaker party.

This limitation can involve clauses being declared null and void (even if willingly accepted by both parties), some basic offer being mandatory (you have to offer at least this much and you cannot refuse the deal unless in specific circumstances) etc...
 
No, it's not a safe heaven. That's the whole point. Apple might kick you out for arbitrary reason. It's like sticking to the speed limit and still getting a speeding ticket. And that behaviour isn't limited to developers. Their forcing of policies and T&Cs upon their clients is unacceptable. Not just for Apple. I explained that above.

Apple and Google with their huge market share are subject to regulation. If you think having a duopoly or even monopoly has something to do with a working capitalistic system (that relies on enough competition) you should really read up on that.

Some geniuses bashing the EU regardin the taxes are also just showing of their lack of knowledge. Custom taxes for specific companies certainly are against capitalistic basics. If you want to complain about the EU... rest assured, there's enough. But the EU's treatment of Apple is not part of what you should complain about. Especially not as a US citizen when Apple moves their money to the EU... ;)
Being under scrutiny is a good thing and the app store is still a safe haven. You only hear about some notorious apps that step a fine line and not the majority of apps that do not have any issues.

When a developer elects to become involved in apple’s developer program they are bound by the t&c, voluntarily. No issues there as this is voluntary.

All companies are under rules and regulations. I have no issue with any company following the applicable laws. If you believe a company didn’t behave morally, vote with your dollars, otherwise move to change the laws.
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As far as I understand France considers Google's bargaining power just as excessive and in need for a limitation as Apple's.

"Take it or gtfo" is *not* universally true: in the EU an excessive bargaining power imbalance between the parties involved in a contract can lead to a limitation of contractual freedom to protect the weaker party.

This limitation can involve clauses being declared null and void (even if willingly accepted by both parties), some basic offer being mandatory (you have to offer at least this much and you cannot refuse the deal unless in specific circumstances) etc...
I guess we will have to see how this plays out. Nobody is forcing a person to enter into the Apple developer program.
 
EUSSR - nuff said

And my family lives in it. Not France though.

Paying 55% income tax on all you earn PLUS mandatory health care - for the same amount we could have a very nice private plan with WAY better coverage - PLUS 20% VAT on - almost - all purchases PLUS inflated energy costs PLUS inflated municipal taxes PLUS you have to pay for private schools unless you want your kid to not learn his/her own language properly in school ...
America? Is that you?
 
Nobody is forcing a person to enter into the Apple developer program.
Some contractual clauses are likely already illegal in some jurisdictions and that the person accepted the deal willingly does not validate them.

Contractual freedom is not absolute and in some EU countries is surprisingly limited to favour the weak party.
 
Some contractual clauses are likely already illegal in some jurisdictions and that the person accepted the deal willingly does not validate them.

Contractual freedom is not absolute and in some EU countries is surprisingly limited to favour the weak party.
What does that mean in terms of this article?
 
The difference is I can negotiate with Best Buy. I can sell my product with one of Best Buy’s competitors. And I can sell my products directly instead of on Amazon.

With Google and Apple, they write the contract they don’t allow any negotiation, and they change the contract a couple times every year, and if I don’t agree to the new contract my only alternative is to stop selling my product.

I think the French government has a point. We are fast moving towards almost all software in the whole world being sold through just two stores and both of those have an unprecedented level of control over the products they sell. You’re not even allowed to use emoji in your buttons on iOS for example. Or have a “buy” button in an audio book app that uses your monthly free credit instead of charging money and giving some of it to Apple.

It would all be fine if there were alternative app stores or if sideloading apps was more commonplace. But since almost nobody is willing to side load, developers are operating under a benevolent dictator.
Ok, I see that side of what you are saying and even though there could be some truth to that, at the same time Apple provided an opportunity for everyone to sell an app on their store - it wasn't too long ago when the real Benevolent Dictator was the cellular companies who wouldn't allow us to buy any app except for the ones they wanted us to buy, and they wouldn't allow us to visit just any website. There is no point to what I'm saying, but it's funny when the very last company appears on the cell phone scene and changes the world of computing - the world turns against them. Makes no sense to me - I'm one who looks for opportunities and works with what is available - vs finding an opportunity and then fighting my success i've been enjoying. I guess the solution is to do as the retail stores have been doing for years, limit the product on the shelves, buy at wholesale prices and then set the retail. Personally, I think developers would cringe at that as well.
 
What does that mean in terms of this article?
That I guess France is likely not going to put contractual freedom above the wish to balance the bargaining power of the parties involved, parties willing or not.
 
Apple and Google are getting greedy, Apple taking 30% or more in some cases is a bit much as a 20% they still be getting quite a profit, Google with it's Ads they can just take any profit you earn and end your account if they fancy that has to change, Microsoft was once the bad guy now it is Apple and Google with Microsoft becoming the good guy slowly.
 
I assume you are not working as a freelancer, and in a market that is dominated by large corporations .

As a content creator, the contracts you have to sign demand everything plus a kidney .
Or you don't accept the terms, and will not ever work for any of the larger clients - that's the choice one has .
Yes, you are correct, I am not working as a freelancer, for the exact reasons you mentioned. You know why? Because I have a choice.
 
And how are the android independents doing? The reason Apple is successful is due to their developers, ecosystem and platform. It took some time to develop but Apple provides a robust development environment intent, safe haven for your app, show casing, etc. it’s precisely this reason the Apple has best of breed apps and has attracted a wide development audience. It is in no danger of becoming a developer-less platform.

And there is much truth in that if you don’t like it “gtfo”. If you don’t want a speeding ticket don’t speed. If you “hate” the US live in Canada. If you think Apple App Store policies are nonsense, develop for android or windows, etc.
That's just an easy excuse – "if you don't like it gtfo". It basically means, "I don't care what you want". That same sort of attitude has been hurting the Linux Desktop for years, for example. They phrase it differently – "if you don't like it, develop your own version" – but it's the same thing essentially. Except, it's a fallacy. How many people actually move to Canada? How realistic is it to make your own OS or App Store? Develop on Windows Mobile and starve to death? These aren't real "options".
 
That's just an easy excuse – "if you don't like it gtfo". It basically means, "I don't care what you want". That same sort of attitude has been hurting the Linux Desktop for years, for example. They phrase it differently – "if you don't like it, develop your own version" – but it's the same thing essentially. Except, it's a fallacy. How many people actually move to Canada? How realistic is it to make your own OS or App Store? Develop on Windows Mobile and starve to death? These aren't real "options".
Right, so a real “option” is to accept apple’s terms and conditions because they supply everything to sell your app except your imagination.
 
2 seconds every time you click on something? That's how long it takes for me. That's a lot if you're trying to browse. Websites load in less than 1 second.

Loading the AppStore from zero to ready takes almost 2 seconds. And some guy said it took forever. Everything else is fast as well iOS 11 for me now is very stable.
 
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