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What still gets me about all of this is that the smart guys at Apple obviously had to have been aware that they were breaking all these rules, yet went ahead and did it anyway. They weren't clueless but must have actively gone against their own instincts. Why? I mean, their previous designs didn't come about by accident – they didn't stumble upon well-designed UIs by sheer luck and only this time it didn't work out. Really don't get it.

Same here. Has puzzled me ever since getting stuck with ios7 in Sept 2013 due to Apple’s Chinese finger trap iOS updates. Has to have been done against the will of at least some smart and powerful technical leaders there who apparently weren’t powerful enough to prevent the madness.

I hope in 5 years one of them describes what went on behind closed doors when someone felt they could reinvent the wheel, though I anticipate Little Jony Snowflake has more than adequately frightened or legally locked-in anyone from being able to share anytime soon, being way too fragile and protective, laughingly like this:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jony-ive-offended-by-parody-soundboard-website-2015-9
 
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. . . . You detest Apple for daring to neglect the Mac which you hold so dear, and believe that Apple is doomed because of this? Is it ignorance which leads people to not see, much less acknowledge Apple’s successes, or spite, or an inflated sense of worth? . . . .

Nope, not even close. I see parallels between how Apple handles all products. Macs were the first major Apple product to become a commodity. Now iPhones are becoming a commodity. Apple TV is already a commodity. See a trend here. Commodities have a much narrower range of competition whether it be price or functionality. When the competition heats up, Apple drops out.

Apple breaks the mold, has skyrocketing success, then completely fails to support its older products. For example, Apple laptops were, at one time, the best or so close to the best it did not matter in terms of functionality. Not any more. Apple is in the process of dropping Macs because they don't understand how to profit from a commodity and because it is not sexy (provides growth). They already dropped out the networking gear even though it gave them a clear win with ease of installation and use. In short, I'm pissed at Apple because I cannot depend on them to keep gear around that I use and have the highest respect for.

Before long they'll be forced to either drop the iPhone or change, but the mac will be gone by then and i'll have moved to a different technology provider. Once I switch to a non-Apple computer, I have no need for an iPhone. I'll use the phone that is closer in technology to my computer. Now I do get it, most of the young people (the new markets) are going to be on government assistance and won't be doing anything other that making animated emojis. And for that they don't need a computer or a tech supplier with anything other than marketing bought popularity.

My point is that Apple is aiming so low these days that it is an insult to Apple's previous evangelists. Right now they could have had the professional market for video and audio locked up solid, and that would have directly led to a huge lead in the VR and AI market. All they had to do was keep the macs at the latest technology, nothing more. No keynotes, no big splashes, no revolution, no risks, no failures, no huge costs, etc. It was dead simple strategy.

Siri is another product they just dropped after introduction. No innovation after 4 years and now they are not even close to the competition.

Apple's current strategy is to throw **** at the wall and see if anything sticks. Will most of it today doesn't stick, it stinks. Like Siri, it took Google and Amazon to make it popular, then Apple took notice.

Apple will never say, here is our product and as long as we sell it it will be the best you can buy. Instead we get here is our great product, please buy it, because we have now moved on and won't be upgrading it or fixing the bugs. We see this in most of the software but also in hardware. It is now a clear strategy and it is not a strategy I want to support.

If I buy tech, for example macOS, and the manufacturer just drops it years later for no reason, then why should I buy it in the first place, In Apple's case its more expensive and easier to use, but the competitors gear, at the end of the day, gets the job done just fine.

I need a phone to make calls on, not animated emojis. I need computer to create on, not to be hamstringed by lack of ports (macs, iphone, iPad), lack of upgradeability (macs), lack of choice (MacBook screen size), lack of being able to install any software I want (iPad), lack of pens or mouse (iPad), etc.

Apple has great products that with just a little bit more could easily allow me to extol their value, as I did to everyone I know in years past. But Apple has left me and I no longer recommend Apple products to friends, relatives, or work mates. They don't need Apple's high priced, buggy, flashy functionality toys, they can get by just fine with other products.
 
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How about something that looks a little different. Start there.

Why? Honest question. After so many changes for the sake of change after 2012, I think many customers and Apple hardware fans are fair to be very leery when thinking about Apple changing something that’s rather refined and mature. Give any examples of where you feel change is needed?

I can think of a few but they’re based in function not just appearance. :)
 
Why? Honest question. After so many changes for the sake of change after 2012, I think many customers and Apple hardware fans are fair to be very leery when thinking about Apple changing something that’s rather refined and mature. Give any examples of where you feel change is needed?

I can think of a few but they’re based in function not just appearance. :)

Because design is subjective and imo the iphone 6 is old, stale, boring and was never good in the first place.

Sure people love it. Just like I'm sure there's a few people who think the 2003 model year Toyota Camry looks better than the 2018's.
 
Because design is subjective and imo the iphone 6 is old, stale, boring and was never good in the first place.

Sure people love it. Just like I'm sure there's a few people who think the 2003 model year Toyota Camry looks better than the 2018's.

Thx. Are there any phones currently in the market whose design you like better than the 6? Also are you lumping the 6, 7, 8, and X as one similar design?
 
So weird that they would take him off of what propels the company forward (products), to give attention to a staff building. It would make more sense for him to always have direct control over hardware, and oversight to the campus?
 
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Agreed. I've lived the majority of my life with an Apple that misfired on a few things but even those things were pretty damn cool.

They can afford to risk right now, RISK!

I don’t know about that open-ended comment. What’s been the most notable successful risk taken over the past 6 years?

I’m still very often frustrated with AAPL’s most notable risks (to me) over the last 6 years being Jony’s “risky” flattening and over-simplifying the software experience to the point that things are still often so less intuitive and more cumbersome than before, and “courageous” risks like headphone jack removals that have continued to unnecessarily burden the ease of connecting my iPhone to numerous speakers throughout my home, my girlfriend’s home, my workplace, rental cars, my garage, etc. And “risky” thin MacBooks with poor upgradability and therefore poor longevity/value, questionable keyboards, and increasing port embargoes and interface simplifications that just add frustration after the “wow thin” wears off and only leads to “really am getting less motivated to buy more expensive and risky Apple stuff.”

What does it say about the value of such risks that results in the consumer having to purchase (and tote around and hopefully not misplace) more dongles and an aftermarket TV remote to get back to convenient, usable performance?

And to add to the pain, with Apple still being viewed as the design leader by the world, it’s led to using their lead as the excuse for flushing unnecessarily flat white/light-blue vague minimalism into website design, professional software design, and even consumer hardware design. Does SimpliSafe’s keypad hardware really need to look like its monochromatic flat design app? How soon until traffic lights go to 3 white or light blue lights?
 
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