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Does this mean cellular iPads will be cheaper?

I realize Apple needs to recover the costs of acquiring Intel's modem division, plus R and D since then. But at some point in the future, please start passing along the cost savings of all that vertical integration to the consumer. Please Apple?
The price of a product is not determined by the cost to produce it, but by the price the market will bear. Apple doesn't spend billions of dollars on patents and research and development to lower the cost of phones, they do it to increase profits or to produce a better product than their competitor.
 
The price of a product is not determined by the cost to produce it, but by the price the market will bear. Apple doesn't spend billions of dollars on patents and research and development to lower the cost of phones, they do it to increase profits or to produce a better product than their competitor.
Historically, there's been a $129 price differential between cellular & non-cellular products. Some of that is the chip, but the majority of it is patent royalties/licensing fees. This next iteration might allow us to see what that fee structure really looks like.
 
Rip Intel.

Good bye QUALCOMM.
Qualcomm make the best LTE/5G modems in the business, so Apple will have to go some way to providing in-house modems that are not a massive step down from the Qualcomm modems in the iPhone 12 & 12s series.

We won't want an Intel modem debacle again, which ironically that part of Intel's business is now owned by Apple:


Can Apple turn third rate crap into something that betters Qualcomm? Let's see...
 
Will there be any opportunity for Apple's in-house team to implement more than "just" the 5G modem on a single custom chip? I assume that 5G modem already means 4G, 3G etc, i.e. it's the full range of cellular modems, but would it also be possible for Apple to implement the WiFi, Bluetooth and maybe some other control stuff on the same silicon? I realise that the actual RF stuff will all be very different but the actual "bit pushing" stuff for the various radios? I'm wondering what possibilities for significantly reducing the component count on an iPhone PC might open up once Apple's in-house team has hit its stride.
 
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The Qualcomm contract was for 6 years so can imagine it won’t be ammended. Regardless its likely they will use Qualcomm patents for an Apple modem so they will be paying less in such a scenario.
 
Who cares when T mobile now gives me fake 5g ?
Well the thing withthe internet is that it is kin of global, you know the world outside the USA. I know it sucks that us telcos constamtly mislabel things but fmir the rest of usit haedly natters, and bews of the furstapp,e 5G modem debuting in all 2023 iPhones. isinterresting, Ioet quite a few oeople exowcted it would bea few more years
 
So does ATT
So does Rogers

Not sure anyone truly has 5g in most areas yet. my area claims to be 5g. I get full bars of 5g on my phone

but ALL tests give me identical speeds to LTE.

So iether the iPhone, while having a 5g modem isn't capable of the speed, or too many ISP's are just calling LTE as 5g and calling it a day
 
Late to the party. Probably be 6G by then
6G by 2023 dream on, if things go accoeding to plan both MNOs here in Norway will have finished 5G rollout during that year, the 6G standards aren’t even done yet, let alone the equipment
 
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And financial analysts are still bullish on Intel this year, I don't get it.

I've given up listening to them. Intel shouldn't be bullish. They've got a clog in the desktop CPU pipeline. They've lost completely on the ultra-mobile space with anything smaller than an ultrabook moving towards ARM. Nothing tablet runs Intel. And AMD has started looking like the next release will target ultrabook/ultra portable market as well.

AMD has already eaten Intel's desktop lunch. the 3xxx series CPU's were already nearly on par, and the 5xxx are blowing what intel has away currently since AMD caught up with IPC on 7nm to Intel's 14. Intel is resorting once again to upselling for features jsut to make up revenues (you can't run memory faster than 2633mhz on their consumer platform, if you want fast RAM, you have to buy the enthousiast. they actively block it!)


Intel keeps promising a competitive GPU, which has never materialized. Their iGPU's still aren't up to scratch.

I truly, Epicly wonder where the analysts think Intel's recovery products are going to be. They're not #1 recommend in SSD/NVME space. Though offer good value. THeir OPTANE platform maybe great, but is sort of a secondary thought only if you're running Intel CPU in the first place.

I know for the first time ever I forgo Intel in the server space as well. my latest ESXI host is EPYC since the cost per core and watt far exceeded what Intel could offer. in the server space I'm still using an Intel host for raw single threaded horsepower on one application. Everything else is now AMD.


So really analysts.. WHY are you bullish on intel?
 
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I imagine it's pretty complex technology that will be bedevilled by an extraordinary amount of required testing and regulatory requirements. That will eat into a lot of time.

Dilbert can explain the confusion best.
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Why would it take them so long? That's two years 🤔
I would ask how in the world with Apple's networking track record with iCloud could they get a well design chip in just 2 years? Call me crazy, but they could not even make a wireless charger 2 years after announcement.

And before you chime in with look at Apple's CPUs, CPUs are nothing compared to RF design.
 
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I’ll have to skip that year. Heatgate o_O
typically a wise choice to skip first gen anything, but apple's in house chip designs have been stellar and in recent years especially great.

i'm not a big fan of what m1 means to software but the reality is it's performance is fantastic.
 
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So what are your qualifications?
It's certainly unclear why they feel Broadcom benefits from this transition...
Apple already has its own limited WiFi in the W3 chip, and of course what appears to be full functional BT in both the W3 and the H1. There's so much overlap in cellular tech and WiFi that it would seem natural, if Apple has a full cellular stack, they also roll their own WiFi chip (not least because Broadcom's firmware has been, uh, problematic in the past, as discussed by Project Zero).

So how does all this become a win for Broadcom?
 
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Qualcomm make the best LTE/5G modems in the business, so Apple will have to go some way to providing in-house modems that are not a massive step down from the Qualcomm modems in the iPhone 12 & 12s series.

We won't want an Intel modem debacle again, which ironically that part of Intel's business is now owned by Apple:

....

Can Apple turn third rate crap into something that betters Qualcomm? Let's see...

Remember the days when Intel made the best chips in the business?...
Indeed Intel were better than the competition. And if you didn't follow the academic literature closely, to know just how many good ideas Intel was NOT implementing (some combination of "it's too much hassle given the way we've already designed so much of the chip" and "we have no competition so why do extra work") it seemed like Intel were close to as good as could possibly be achieved.

Comparisons with QC are left as an exercise for the reader.
 
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