Apple Designing 5G iPhone Antenna Module In-House After Being Dissatisfied With Qualcomm's Version

csi24

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Ohhhh boy. Bring on the speed tests when the iPhone comes out. And all the "excuses" when/if the iPhone's 5G speeds are slower compared to its competitors. Hope that's not what happens. But at least we won't have to deal with the shoddy Intel modems that have gimped the iPhone for the last two-three years now.

I won't see 5G from AT&T for a while anyway lol.
 

Phillyfinest89

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Once apple finish their 5g modem they will use that. 5g modem design and testing doesn’t happen overnight.
 

Baymowe335

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Apple has great design and engineering teams, but they don't have the best track record when it comes to things like this. Hopefully they're not sacrificing power and reception for the sake of a few mm, which they have done in the past. What's even more concerning is 5G requires lots of battery already. A smaller design may require more power and at the same time limit battery size.
Yeah they do. Their chips are awesome.
 
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anshuvorty

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They’ll buy from Qualcomm for as long as they need to. There are other vendors, including Samsung. When Apple’s own modem is ready, they’ll use that.
Didn't Apple say that they will only be buying from Qualcomm until 2025-2027? Which means Apple will be using its own modem chips around that time too?

 

farewelwilliams

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" The iPhone 4, for example, had an antenna design that resulted in dropped calls and other problems when the iPhone was held in a way that covered the antennas."

This wasn't unique to iPhone 4. Nice try though.
 
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ani4ani

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So that’s why Apple replaced the 15” MBP with the 16” MBP and increased the size of the SSD, while keeping the price at $2,399—after the resident Apple-hate crowd was sure it would be priced some where between $3,000-4,000 (or higher).

Or why they dropped the price from the XR’s $749 to $699 for the iPhone 11. Introduced a $329 iPad. Dropped HomePod to $299. Cut the Air from $1,199 to $1,099. Dropped the price of the higher capacity SSD configs 🙄
you have done little more than provide evidence that they try and grab every penny with your examples...so when the HomePod was $50 more that was a mistake..or the $1,199 Air was a mistake?
 

PickUrPoison

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Didn't Apple say that they will only be buying from Qualcomm until 2025-2027? Which means Apple will be using its own modem chips around that time too?

The 6+2 year agreement was for patent licensing; Apple needs at least Qualcomm’s standard essential patents (SEPs) whether they buy the baseband modem from Qualcomm, Samsung or make their own. (The current license agreement presumably encompasses Qualcomm’s entire patent portfolio, not just SEPs).

The supply agreement for Qualcomm’s baseband chips is a multi-year agreement of undisclosed duration but I’d think it’s indefinite, i.e. as long as Apple wants to pay the price Qualcomm wants for their chips, Qualcomm is willing to sell them.

When Apple’s own modem will be ready isn’t known. Maybe 2022 or 2023.
 
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Packers1958

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So in the end, a crappy signal can be expected again just like with the 11 Pro and Pro Max. Apple cares more about how pretty the phone looks as opposed how good it should work.
 

DocMultimedia

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I'm actually hoping they have to use the one from Qualcomm since it would keep the iPhone thicker. Battery. Don't make it thinner! The battery life on my 11 Pro is sooooo much better than prior iPhones.
 
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PickUrPoison

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you have done little more than provide evidence that they try and grab every penny with your examples...so when the HomePod was $50 more that was a mistake..or the $1,199 Air was a mistake?
Mistake? Probably not; more likely intentional. When new products come out, they are often higher priced initially, then the price drops as economies of scale kick in and cost per unit drops.

But Apple isn’t doing anything that every other well-run enterprise does, right? If a company wants to sell more quantity, they’ll lower the price. And if their own costs go down, they can afford to lower the price while still maintaining their profit margin.

The goal is to maximize profit, which sometimes happens at a higher price and selling fewer units. It’s a function of fixed vs. variable costs.
 
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himanshumodi

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For what it’s worth, I think at this point iPhones have got thick enough. Any thicker, for their size, will be extremely cumbersome and un-ergonomic. There’s merit in Apple chasing an antenna design which doesn’t cause thickness to increase anymore than current levels.

hope they do nail it!
 

HudsonSteele

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Sometimes, Apple does things and you go "How did they think of that?!" and sometimes they do things and you think "Did they watch a video on Pinterest called 'How to make your own computer and phone stuff without a degree?'"
 
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macgician

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Okay Folks ,seems 5G antennae gate is guaranteed recipe for next iPhone and expect apple ruin it further.
 
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McG2k1

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Still waiting on their superior behind the screen fingerprint scanner. Guess I’ll be waiting on their superior antenna too.