Apple Details New iPad Pro's XDR Display, Thunderbolt Support, and iPadOS Updates Over 5G in New Support Documents

[Premium1]

So you can download OS updates over cellular on the ipad but not on iphone? Come on apple, having to wait to be on wifi for updates is so dumb.

 

[slplss]

I find it weird that people keep arguing over whether the bloom effect is genuine or not. It’s a byproduct of mini-LED technology. It’s not like I’m photoshopping the effect in just so I can prove a fault with the £1100 tablet I just bought.

I'm not saying it's not, but if your camera matches what you can see with our own eyes, our eyes must as well be different. If I took photo with iPhone on auto setting, it would match your photo, so give me the benefit of the doubt, as I do to you.

 

[ofarlig]

Your arguement falls flat on its face when you see the bloom on the Pro XDR https://www.google.com/amp/s/daejeonchronicles.com/2020/01/04/apple-pro-display-xdr-blooming/amp/

Nope, actually the Pro XDR supports what I’m saying. It has fewer zones on a way larger area so it has bigger dimming zones which will give large blooming. The dimming zones of the Pro Display XDR are close to 5 square centimetres compared to the 0.2 on the iPad.

Fact is that with the size of the dimming zones on the iPad makes many of the pictures impossible to be caused by blooming.

 

[Marshall73]

This is in my room next to a lamp, so it’s not pitch black. It shows when there are lighter colours against dark backgrounds. In a scene from Nomadland, it was like the character was a Force Ghost. It doesn’t bother me, as I use the iPad for illustration work and storyboards but it’s odd that Apple reckons this is good enough for pro HDR workflows.

This is what I see on my pro.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Nobody is arguing wether it is genuine or not, there will always be bloom until each LED is the size of a pixel.

Even AFTER the LED is the size of a pixel. If you create a bright object on a black background, you’re going to see bloom and photograph bloom. One would have to completely eclipse the bright shape before you could really see what light is coming from the area AROUND the bright shape.

 

[slplss]

This is what I see on my pro.
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What newborns and iPhones on auto can see

 

[Unregistered 4U]

What newborns and iPhones on auto can seeView attachment 1780283

ERMERGERD! DER BLERMERNS!!

 

[Zdigital2015]

I tried taking a picture of the blooming on my iPad, but it’s hard to capture on my phone. It’s definitely not as great as oled, but in most cases it’s not a problem. Regardless of screen brightness, it’s not noticeable unless I’m using it in a pitch black environment. And even then it’s only present around static highlights surrounded by black. I’d say that you’d have to be unreasonably picky for it to be a serious issue.

Well, “unreasonably picky” is the middle name of quite of few users in these forums, so buckle up!

 

[FriendlyMackle]

iPad Pro needs a pro OS and pro apps. I got my $1900 iPad Pro yesterday (12.9 in, 1 TB), I love it, but even web browsing is handicapped by iOS, the website I use the most for work relies a lot on horizontal scrolling and the iPad simply cannot handle it, I need to go to the PC for that.

Also, the fact that you need a PC to transfer your music library is infuriating , come on Apple.

Well look. Here are two pics of the same paused screen of enterprise, which im also watching in bed. It’s just a tv, but you can see what I mean in regards to the photo not necessarily showing the correct interpretation of the image when just using a phone willynilly.

I'm glad I'm not alone in having really liked "Enterprise"! I still rewatch the series (favorite episodes) from time to time.

 

[ofarlig]

Even AFTER the LED is the size of a pixel. If you create a bright object on a black background, you’re going to see bloom and photograph bloom. One would have to completely eclipse the bright shape before you could really see what light is coming from the area AROUND the bright shape.

Yeah I agree, I am talking blooming from the display itself on a theoretical level.

Blooming/glow/halo effects that our eyes or cameras see when we look at the screen will always be there of course, it is there on my OLED TV as well. On most of the pictures this is what is showing right now, but we cannot fault the displays for that effect though.

 

[Lukomaldini]

In a pitch black room I can’t even look at the screen comfortably while at 30% brightness with elements that can cause blooming, at 75% it was unbearable… And in daylight the blooming is much less noticable at any brightness.

completely agree, it’s only at uncomfortable brightnesses that you really see it. I don’t really get all the hate. People are actively looking for it and saying it’s a problem, 99% of the time it’s not noticeable and it’s an occupational hazard of the tech. Because it’s not being pixel lit, there is still going to be blooming when there is high contrast content. That’s a fact. People need to think “will I accept some blooming in less than 1% of use cases over bright blacks?” If the answer is no get the 2020 or buy a Samsung.

 

[Lukomaldini]

"Transitional characteristics of local dimming zones, such as a slight blur or color change while scrolling against black backgrounds, are normal behavior."


TIL users are scrolling static UI elements:

Your looking at it at an angle, it’s always amplified when looking off axis. If that was a normal viewing angle it would be way less noticeable

 

[Slartibart]

Your looking at it at an angle, it’s always amplified when looking off axis. If that was a normal viewing angle it would be way less noticeable

While I personally think that the whole thing is somewhat overblown, looking from an angle has no effect on it. “Off axis“-viewing - whatever this is, because in normal use distance you have aways areas which are “off axis”*¹ - will not magically extend the area of LEDs involved.

written that: there is a blooming effect which is quite notable in/under certain scenarios/conditions- apparently especially in a dark room when display brightness is cranked up to maximum. The photo snaps people have taken amplify this effect visually, but its documentary and nobody denies the effect.

So: what purpose has your comment? Did you contemplate for a moment the meaning of it? “you’re looking at it wrong”?!? Seriously? That’s your contribution?




*¹ To achieve something like total parallel projection (non-“off axis”) of the light emitted from the iPad display on the retinas in your eyes it has to be quite far away… - anatomical variance given - at least so far away that you probably can’t reach it any longer with your hands.

Still there will be the same visible blooming in certain scenarios. 🤓

 

[Lukomaldini]

While I personally think that the whole thing is somewhat overblown, looking from an angle has no effect on it. “Off axis“-viewing - whatever this is, because in normal use distance you have aways areas which are “off axis”*¹ - will not magically extend the area of LEDs involved.

written that: there is a blooming effect which is quite notable in/under certain scenarios/conditions- apparently especially in a dark room when display brightness is cranked up to maximum. The photo snaps people have taken amplify this effect visually, but its documentary and nobody denies the effect.

So: what purpose has your comment? Did you contemplate for a moment the meaning of it? “you’re looking at it wrong”?!? Seriously? That’s your contribution?




*¹ To achieve something like total parallel projection (non-“off axis”) of the light emitted from the iPad display on the retinas in your eyes it has to be quite far away… - anatomical variance given - at least so far away that you probably can’t reach it any longer with your hands.

Still there will be the same visible blooming in certain scenarios. 🤓

In my own experience, looking at the ipad off axis like 30 degrees has a drastic impact on blooming. My point on your picture is that if somebody was looking to buy the ipad and saw your picture and was like "ugh it has horrible blooming im not going to bother" when actually the blooming isnt all that bad and the benefits of the mini led drastically outweigh blooming in these scenarios (my honest opinion). Thats all i was saying, i'm not saying your comment has no validity etc

 

[mabaker]

This is exactly what it looks like with my eyes. I under exposed the picture and it’s still like this.View attachment 1779772

This would bother the living hell out of me. I am already bothered by the yellowing of parts of screens in Apple products. Many iMacs, iPads have yellow screens which is a shoddy QA on Apple's part.

 

[Slartibart]

This would bother the living hell out of me. I am already bothered by the yellowing of parts of screens in Apple products. Many iMacs, iPads have yellow screens which is a shoddy QA on Apple's part.

??? You’re referring to the effects of TrueTone or Nightshift? Well, turn it off in the preferences…

 

[ChrisMoBro]

Nobody is arguing wether it is genuine or not, there will always be bloom until each LED is the size of a pixel. The question is wether or not it is noticeable before our eyes (and cameras) get glow from white objects next to pure black. Some pictures here that have been shown has “bloom” that is way too large to be due to dimming zones since each zone is about 0.2 square cms. We can see a bigger area like a halo or glow around an object though and is more to do with us being blinded.

Your arguement falls flat on its face when you see the bloom on the Pro XDR

Nope, actually the Pro XDR supports what I’m saying. It has fewer zones on a way larger area so it has bigger dimming zones which will give large blooming. The dimming zones of the Pro Display XDR are close to 5 square centimetres compared to the 0.2 on the iPad.

Fact is that with the size of the dimming zones on the iPad makes many of the pictures impossible to be caused by blooming.

Wait so you're now saying that its impossible for blooming due to the dimming zones, even though countless users have reported it? It's there when I watch a film and the UI pops up - WITH bloom.

 

[chucker23n1]

What newborns and iPhones on auto can seeView attachment 1780283

I see the problem. That's Star Wars. Try Star Trek instead.

 

[ofarlig]

Your arguement falls flat on its face when you see the bloom on the Pro XDR

Wait so you're now saying that its impossible for blooming due to the dimming zones, even though countless users have reported it? It's there when I watch a film and the UI pops up - WITH bloom.

No I didn’t say blooming is impossible, try reading it again. I said the dimming zones are so small that many of the pictures we have seen are impossible to be due blooming. There will be bloom but with 0.2 square centimetres big dimming zones there’s a very small area that could be blooming, an area way smaller than many of the pictures “show”.

There is a big difference between bloom that the screen is producing and the halo/glow effect that your eyes or camera pick up. The latter is present on all displays with bright objects, even on OLED which is pixel perfect when it comes to lighting. I’ve seen it on all my OLED tablets/phones and I have it on my OLED TV when the brightness is high enough, it is an effect of our eyes seeing something bright and has nothing to do with the display. People are confusing this effect with bloom that is caused by the Mini-LED technology.

EDIT: Just for the lols I tried the black background with white objects test in a dark room on the 2020 iPad Pro 12.9”. Guess what, theres some extra glow effect that my eyes pick up there as well, sure it is a lot less visible since the entire display is lit up already but it is there.

 

[M.PaulCezanne]

Still no iOS updates over 5G.

 

[liberte1776]

Can I natively make phone calls from an iPad 5G? That means with no dependence on another device. If not it’s silly that Apple doesn’t enable that ability, especially considering the premium you pay for these things!

 

[IceStormNG]

Can I natively make phone calls from an iPad 5G? That means with no dependence on another device. If not it’s silly that Apple doesn’t enable that ability, especially considering the premium you pay for these things!

Nope. iPad only uses data feature. It can neither call nor receive or send SMS.

 

[TheDailyApple]

Well, “unreasonably picky” is the middle name of quite of few users in these forums, so buckle up!

Fair point! 😁

 

[RobArtLyn]

Would've been nice if it can have the connected monitor work as an extended screen using its own native resolution. Seems that right now it depends on the apps to support fully using the external monitor.

What do you expect the OS to do with those other pixels and how do you intend to interact with them? A keyboard and mouse? At some point I think that the people who do not like how the iPad works with an external display need to come to terms with the fact that what they want is more appropriate for a laptop than a tablet.

 

[HarryWild]

I heard rumors that the 11" Pro will get the mini LED in October 2021, so I am waiting to see if that happens along with the release of a new iPad Mini 6/Mini Pro!