Apple Details New iPad Pro's XDR Display, Thunderbolt Support, and iPadOS Updates Over 5G in New Support Documents

[ChrisMoBro]

In a pitch black room I can’t even look at the screen comfortably while at 30% brightness with elements that can cause blooming, at 75% it was unbearable… And in daylight the blooming is much less noticable at any brightness.

In a pitch black room I can’t even look at the screen comfortably while at 30% brightness with elements that can cause blooming, at 75% it was unbearable… And in daylight the blooming is much less noticable at any brightness.

In your opinion. I posted a photo at 8am at 90% brightness and it was very evident. 30% brightness watching a movie? Each to their own.

 

[GuruZac]

It can be pretty jarring when watching a movie although there was only one scene where it was noticeable (the credits don’t really count). Here’s a photo of the notes app. It’s 8am here so the effect isn’t exaggerated in a dark room. It’s pretty obvious whilst using it in the Notes app but anything with a dark grey background is fineView attachment 1779922

Wow. I have started to use auto display mode going from light mode during the day to dark mode at night (on my iPad and MacBook-I keep my iPhone in dark mode for battery life) so it wouldn’t be a huge issue for me but that’s pretty bad looking for those who keep their iPads in dark mode all the time.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Just tested in a pitch black room in the exact same movie and at the timestamp that he used and I have to put the brightness up to uncomfortable levels before theres any blooming that is noticable when watching the movie. I am not sure that the “glow” I am seeing when I raised the brightness is blooming or just me being blinded.

More than likely, just being blinded. There’s no human eyes on the planet that won’t see a glow around any bright object, dark background or not, regardless of the technology used to produce the light.

 

[ofarlig]

More than likely, just being blinded. There’s no human eyes on the planet that won’t see a glow around any bright object, dark background or not, regardless of the technology used to produce the light.

Yeah I agree, the problem is knowing if there’s blooming under the glow when I am being blinded so I thought it best to leave the option open.

 

[Greenmeenie]

I still use & love my 2018 11” iPad Pro. Was going to upgrade to the 2021 11” version, but was bummed it didn’t get the mini LED screen like the 12.9”. I still may upgrade... but am waiting to see what is announced at WWDC. If Apple announces a line of “Pro Apps” like Final Cut for the iPad i will probably get the new 11” with 16 gigs of ram to handle the heavier video editing. My iPad is my main computer now. I travel a lot so i prefer the smaller ipad pro.

 

[scupking]

I still use & love my 2018 11” iPad Pro. Was going to upgrade to the 2021 11” version, but was bummed it didn’t get the mini LED screen like the 12.9”. I still may upgrade... but am waiting to see what is announced at WWDC. If Apple announces a line of “Pro Apps” like Final Cut for the iPad i will probably get the new 11” with 16 gigs of ram to handle the heavier video editing. My iPad is my main computer now. I travel a lot so i prefer the smaller ipad pro.

Sounds like a lot of people see the mini LED screen as a downgrade.

 

[1rottenapple]

I’m gonna laugh if it will turn out that all they’re gonna introduce is widgets on Home Screen like on iOS devices 😆

I know. Other than it’s capability to output pretty videos my 2018 iPad Pro is still very capable and doesn’t separate itself from the 2021 model. Software is still the big issue with iPads.
Give me folding iPads! I want the best of both worlds willing to pay close to 1800 for it for sure.

 

[AxiomaticRubric]

iPad Pro needs a pro OS and pro apps. I got my $1900 iPad Pro yesterday (12.9 in, 1 TB), I love it, but even web browsing is handicapped by iOS, the website I use the most for work relies a lot on horizontal scrolling and the iPad simply cannot handle it, I need to go to the PC for that.

Sorry to be pedantic, but it’s iPadOS, not iOS.

Also I’m interested about the scrolling issues you are experiencing. I have never had that problem before with Safari on iPadOS. I have always been able to scroll left and right as needed.

Try changing the orientation of the iPad (horizontal to portrait, or vice versa) to see if the page renders differently. Also you can try Microsoft Edge or Google Chrome on the iPad. These browsers render content a bit differently than Safari.

 

[cmaier]

Sorry to be pedantic, but it’s iPadOS, not iOS.

Also I’m interested about the scrolling issues you are experiencing. I have never had that problem before with Safari on iPadOS. I have always been able to scroll left and right as needed.

Try changing the orientation of the iPad (horizontal to portrait, or vice versa) to see if the page renders differently. Also you can try Microsoft Edge or Google Chrome on the iPad. These browsers render content a bit differently than Safari.

In the trial even Craig Federighi referred to ipados as ios a couple of times. So i think you can forgive @GeoStructural.

 

[Greenmeenie]

Sounds like a lot of people see the mini LED screen as a downgrade.

I have seen some negative youtube videos pointing out issues with the mini LED screen on the new 12.9” ipad pro. Like ghosting halos around bright objects on a dark background or a shadow around the edge of the ipad screen. But i have also seen videos where the contrast & hdr video look amazing on it. So i guess it depends on how you look at it. I will head down to the apple store myself because this seems like something you can’t really make a personal judgement on until you see it yourself. Regardless, i still prefer the 11” size... so if i go to the apple store and prefer the mini LED screen, it is going to be a tough decision. Get the larger ipad? Or wait until the 11” gets the mini LED screen next year perhaps? 🤔

 

[BuffaloTF]

I’m gonna laugh if it will turn out that all they’re gonna introduce is widgets on Home Screen like on iOS devices 😆

At least said wait is only asking someone to hold off 2 weeks now. That line wouldn't fly so much if this were the iPhone and the wait was 6-9 months out.

 

[slplss]

It can be pretty jarring when watching a movie although there was only one scene where it was noticeable (the credits don’t really count). Here’s a photo of the notes app. It’s 8am here so the effect isn’t exaggerated in a dark room. It’s pretty obvious whilst using it in the Notes app but anything with a dark grey background is fineView attachment 1779922

Made part of the recipe in Notes, this is how I see it on max brightness, taken with DSLR manual setting.

 

[GeoStructural]

Sorry to be pedantic, but it’s iPadOS, not iOS.

Also I’m interested about the scrolling issues you are experiencing. I have never had that problem before with Safari on iPadOS. I have always been able to scroll left and right as needed.

Try changing the orientation of the iPad (horizontal to portrait, or vice versa) to see if the page renders differently. Also you can try Microsoft Edge or Google Chrome on the iPad. These browsers render content a bit differently than Safari.

Call it whatever, they are essentially the same thing, even Apple calls it iOS. iPadOS and iOS just started to “differentiate” a year ago.

The website I refer to is an internal portal associated to a University in Massachusetts, you will have no way to check it out. Yes, I noticed Chrome is better on this website, but I want to stay away from this particular product.

 

[GeoStructural]

So, why are you spending $1900 on a computer which can't handle your work?
What can this iPad Pro do which the much cheaper iPad Air or regular iPad can't do?

I am happy to answer, the iPad Pro is my favorite tablet. I like the quality of the display, the speakers and a so many little details. I purchased knowing it is not a computer replacement, I do Civil Engineering and not even MacBook Pros can handle Civil Eng. workflow (yeah, controversial, but is the truth).

Any way, I purchased this tablet as complement for my work with a PC, for traveling, carrying to the field and something that can hopefully last at least 5 years.

By the way, the limitations I experience are the same or worst on the iPad Air, so…

 

[GeoStructural]

How else would you transfer a music library?

In other tablets you can just import from a folder or some easy online procedure. Apple pretty much forces me to use iTunes, import to it and then transfer to the iPad.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Yeah I agree, the problem is knowing if there’s blooming under the glow when I am being blinded so I thought it best to leave the option open.

I’d imagine there is, but the square that would be blooming when some of the pixels shouldn’t be, would be 4mm square approximately. Like, if we had perfect eyes, if you drew a 45 degree line on a perfect slant, there should be stair-stepping where it crosses the lighting groups.

Oh… and probably FAR easier to get a picture of when the screen’s brightness is low instead of when the screen’s brightness is on blast. At low illumination, the camera lens isn’t getting blown out SO on long exposure, it should be able to pick out the subtle differences between the pixels that are on, the pixels that are AROUND the pixels that are on, and the pixels that are most definitely off.

 

[mansplains]

I don't get why Apple can't give us an "allow more data" *period* switch, rather than just on 5G.

I was able to watch 4K HDR content on my Apple TV, tethered to my LTE-only (no 5G) iPhone 11 Pro Max when Comcast was down, and it streamed perfectly with no issues. You don't need 5G for this stuff.

It's irritating that Apple is using "Allow the use of more data" as a carrot to try to get people to upgrade to 5G devices, when existing LTE devices can use that additional data without issue. If we want to blow through our data plan watching "For All Mankind" on LTE, it should be our right!

My bet is it's more on the carrier's end. They're constantly shafting their user-base. Why support everyone using full-speed when you could gimp them and charge the same amount without consequence?

 

[Wortak]

Can someone run a local dimming test like this and maybe record it/ take pictures?

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

I don't care if the new M1 iPads can update for free through a wormhole to the year 3000, or if the new display is brighter that a thousand suns getting bombed by a billion nuclear bombs -It's still a "racing car" forced to only drive on a "go-kart track" that despite its limitation is still in the price range of other "racing cars" that don't have these limitations.

Lumafusion, Procreate, Garageband, etc., don't need all this power.

'What's a computer?' It's not an iPad!

 

[RavynArcadia]

When did they say this?

I believe during or after the spring show.

 

[BuffaloTF]

What’s better about micro LeD compared to OLED in apples mind?

i think OLED is much better than micro led which is basically a traditional lcd display but with smaller (but still to large) dimming zones.

Micro LED is an entirely different beast than Mini LED. Micro places individual lights behind each and every pixel, giving you true black like an OLED. It's currently available from Samsung for business sales, or if you buy their "The Wall" screen, all of which are prohibitively expensive for the consumer market. It's several years off before they can shrink it down small enough for your average 40-85" screens. It would be a true competitor for OLED.

Mini LED has very small lights behind the panel, controlled as zones. And would still suffer from blooming.

As for Mini LED vs OLED. Price and yield.

 

[ChrisMoBro]

Made part of the recipe in Notes, this is how I see it on max brightness, taken with DSLR manual setting.
View attachment 1780101

I find it weird that people keep arguing over whether the bloom effect is genuine or not. It’s a byproduct of mini-LED technology. It’s not like I’m photoshopping the effect in just so I can prove a fault with the £1100 tablet I just bought.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I find it weird that people keep arguing over whether the bloom effect is genuine or not. It’s a byproduct of mini-LED technology. It’s not like I’m photoshopping the effect in just so I can prove a fault with the £1100 tablet I just bought.

Not weird. I can take a picture of a flashlight and get bloom. It’s not a strange phenomenon.

 

[ofarlig]

I find it weird that people keep arguing over whether the bloom effect is genuine or not. It’s a byproduct of mini-LED technology. It’s not like I’m photoshopping the effect in just so I can prove a fault with the £1100 tablet I just bought.

Nobody is arguing wether it is genuine or not, there will always be bloom until each LED is the size of a pixel. The question is wether or not it is noticeable before our eyes (and cameras) get glow from white objects next to pure black. Some pictures here that have been shown has “bloom” that is way too large to be due to dimming zones since each zone is about 0.2 square cms. We can see a bigger area like a halo or glow around an object though and is more to do with us being blinded.

 

[ChrisMoBro]

Nobody is arguing wether it is genuine or not, there will always be bloom until each LED is the size of a pixel. The question is wether or not it is noticeable before our eyes (and cameras) get glow from white objects next to pure black. Some pictures here that have been shown has “bloom” that is way too large to be due to dimming zones since each zone is about 0.2 square cms. We can see a bigger area like a halo or glow around an object though and is more to do with us being blinded.

Your arguement falls flat on its face when you see the bloom on the Pro XDR https://www.google.com/amp/s/daejeonchronicles.com/2020/01/04/apple-pro-display-xdr-blooming/amp/