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Never had issues with our Chromecast. I've actually thinking of picking up a Roku 4, but would rather pickup the next iteration of Nexus TV. My experiences with ATV 2-3 over the years has been mediocre at best. I'm a massive fan of Plex and found Kodi too labor intensive.
 
I questioned why I even bought the ATV 4 when it's so locked down and side-loading kodi once a week just to watch other files types.

Apple isn't being very customer service friendly, your customers obviously want to download files and watch them.

They're gonna start to jump ship, which I'll be doing.

:rolleyes: Not that EVERY single Apple TV ever made was any different.
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The big surprise for me was that they were still making it. Good riddance, pretty much, but I still miss its Netflix app where you could browse by category. The ATV4 version lacks this key feature. At first I thought this was due to some makeshift version having been rushed out in time for the ATV4 introduction, but here we are one year later and all the content is still in a giant unsorted pile. I sure hope grocery stores don't adapt the ATV4 Netflix model and have some guy stop you at the entrance and go

God how I hate that Netflix app. I can think of few things I dislike so strongly and yet use so often.

Just give me a list of genres and then list every movie in alphabetical order. How hard is that?

Bonus points if you man up and get rid of the stupid horizontal scrolling.
 
They should have discontinued it the second they released Apple Music and decided that it wouldn't be supported on Apple TV 3.

Yeah but, if you've got an iPhone, one swipe up lets you use Apple Music on Apple TV 3 without an issue.
 
Apple missed the boat on TV because it failed to revolutionize the industry like they said they would. Why would I buy an Apple TV when I can get a small chromecast dongle at a fraction of the price that delivers the content I need? At least Google opens it up a bit so you can download third party applications to stream from sites like vodlocker and choose how you want to use it.

Sometimes I think Apple should just pack it in with this and other useless items (ie. iwatch) and refocus on the products that they do well. Having to wait this long for mac upgrades while they continue to charge the same prices is disgusting.
If you think of all the possibilities with the world-class engineers that Apple has and it's A-series SoCs (the A10 is just a beast) and it's IMGTec PowerVR IP, they could easily deliver the best TV experience anyone has ever seen. Apple to this day does not have any 4K content, nor do they even use HEVC (supposedly because there is still the ongoing patent dispute), which really hurts the industry as a whole.

The Apple TV 4 was already outdated the moment Apple released it, it did not set any meaningful standards, and apart from the Siri integration, is just a disappointment. It does not even accept 4K content, nor does it have HDMI 2.0.

Yet, I bought one, since I thought that it's worth it somehow, but after using it for a couple of months now, it's not really a magical product, not even close.

I am not sure Apple even knows what they are doing with their other products, even though I am very happy with my new iPhone 7 256GB matte black.

The moment Google released Android TV with integrated Google Cast just shows that Apple lost the TV battle to Google. They could have easily pushed tvOS into the TV market and also selling their A-series SoCs as a package, but it seems that Apple is not interested in that at all. No one ever needs another set-top box if Android TVs already do everything you need.
 
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I questioned why I even bought the ATV 4 when it's so locked down and side-loading kodi once a week just to watch other files types.

Apple isn't being very customer service friendly, your customers obviously want to download files and watch them.

They're gonna start to jump ship, which I'll be doing.

Indeed, this is from a company [Apple] apparently supporting and looking to push through legislation to force [other] content suppliers, to have used their subscription services used, possibly on the ATV in whatever future format.
 
I questioned why I even bought the ATV 4 when it's so locked down and side-loading kodi once a week just to watch other files types.

Apple isn't being very customer service friendly, your customers obviously want to download files and watch them.

They're gonna start to jump ship, which I'll be doing.

Come on, there are so many easy solution to this. Can download any MKV file an stream it to your apple TV using Beamer, VLC or any other tool. With VLC you can even store your files directly on the ATV (as long as there sufficient space).
No reason to jump ship at all, just jump into the 21th century.
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I'll continue to use my Apple TV 3 until it passes on. Does everything I need it to.

Looking at the build quality of the ATV, it might be you passing first.... :)
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I still used my ATV2 regularly until just recently when we cut the cord and switched to Playstation Vue. We had to buy Fire Sticks. The ATV is still a better device. Hopefully they will continue adding channels/apps as they can because it's still a strong device.

You now the ATV2 is still 720p max, right?
 
This happened over a week ago. Not really news. I was in an Apple Store at the weekend and a confused customer was looking for one and was told rather unceremoniously that 'they [Apple] decided to stop selling it a week ago' by an Apple Store assistant. It stuck in my head because I thought it was rather strange that the employee referred to Apple in the third person.
 
What Apple needs to do to stop the whole concept of AirPlay becoming obsolete...

1. Introduce an audio only AirPlay device that can plug into stereo systems by way of 3.5mm audio jack. This would compete directly against the Chromecast audio

3.5mm audio jack???? I hope you mean for HDMI 2.0. Nobody uses analog stereo anymore, it sounds horrible.

2. Introduce a basic video streaming stick. Basically all the dumb parts of the apple TV such as airplay mirroring and sending a stream to the device. No complex UI and menu system, just a receiver.

There are option like Beamer app, the TV becomes just a simple receiver, you are not actually using it as Beamer runs on your computer.

3. Lower the price of the Apple TV4 to £99

Always good!

4. Introduce a 4K Apple TV5 to placate the spec chasers. Also all of Netflix and Amazon original content will be available in 4K

Hope for the same

5. Introduce some sort of Echo/Google Home competitor that can live on the living room table or kitchen or bedroom etc. This can be linked into the Apple ecosystem allowing Siri to control the AppleTVs in the house as well as all the fancy Home.app stuff

Don't get this one. As the current ATV uses bluetooth you can put it anywhere you want. The ATV3 used infra red, so it needed to be in sight. My ATV4 is just behind my AV Receiver; completely invisible. There is a home-kit app for the AT4 to control fancy stuff.

Lastly... and not part of Airplay so not included in this list above. Introduce a new cheaper Airport with mesh compatibility. Perhaps you need to have one master airport Extreme and then you can buy mini airport Express devices to build a mesh in your home/office.

Apple make great devices but there's more to our lives now than smartphones and tablets.
 
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What Apple needs to do to stop the whole concept of AirPlay becoming obsolete...

1. Introduce an audio only AirPlay device that can plug into stereo systems by way of 3.5mm audio jack. This would compete directly against the Chromecast audio

2. Introduce a basic video streaming stick. Basically all the dumb parts of the apple TV such as airplay mirroring and sending a stream to the device. No complex UI and menu system, just a receiver.

3. Lower the price of the Apple TV4 to £99

4. Introduce a 4K Apple TV5 to placate the spec chasers. Also all of Netflix and Amazon original content will be available in 4K

5. Introduce some sort of Echo/Google Home competitor that can live on the living room table or kitchen or bedroom etc. This can be linked into the Apple ecosystem allowing Siri to control the AppleTVs in the house as well as all the fancy Home.app stuff

Lastly... and not part of Airplay so not included in this list above. Introduce a new cheaper Airport with mesh compatibility. Perhaps you need to have one master airport Extreme and then you can buy mini airport Express devices to build a mesh in your home/office.

Apple make great devices but there's more to our lives now than smartphones and tablets.

I agree that's good stuff you are proposing. I doubt that Apple will be doing any of this except 4. and maybe new Access Points.
 
I questioned why I even bought the ATV 4 when it's so locked down and side-loading kodi once a week just to watch other files types.

Apple isn't being very customer service friendly, your customers obviously want to download files and watch them.

They're gonna start to jump ship, which I'll be doing.

Which what most people won't be doing because they don't care. Also, you can download apps that talk to NAS, DLNA etc so you can download files and simply watch them.
 
I questioned why I even bought the ATV 4 when it's so locked down and side-loading kodi once a week just to watch other files types.
Why would you bother doing that when there are plenty of great video apps in the AppleTV app store (e.g. Infuse) that will play any video type you can throw at them?
 
I disagree. They need a cheaper option for those that just want to use it for AirPlay, and now that option is no longer available.

Then make a cheaper version of the 4th gen with somewhat better SoC and the App Store. Or go all the way
Right, like they do with the iPhone. :rolleyes:
Looks like a new Apple TV is on the way.

You prefer they keep selling older outdated hardware?

For any device they should differentiate on the product to hit different price points. iPhone SE, iPhone and iPhone Plus. Different storage tiers and you can cover many price points.

It's painful when I see people buying older revisions of iPhone or iPads only for them to be run slowly while they're still for sale. How long did all these A5 based devices stick around for?
 
Seems fair. They've made quite a fuzz about their latest product, and moving forward this makes sense. Thumbsup Apple. it has been quite a few years already, and people expect it to act like the 4th one and I think they rather let customers invest in a newer and more expensive device, than waste money on post-sales questions.
Hmmm...MacBook Pro
 
In many ways, the ATV3 is better than the ATV4. I just hope they don't kill the ATV3 from a fort ware update, or remove more features.
 
Then make a cheaper version of the 4th gen with somewhat better SoC and the App Store. Or go all the way

Except that they are not doing it.
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Ironically my Amazon Fire Stick works well for that. Got it for €20 back when it got introduced and I thought I'd give it a shot.

Don't care too much about the Apple TV anymore, especially considering their low effort shot at homeshared media on it.

Yes Apple, great idea: keep showing me how staying in your ecosystem isn't a no-brainer anymore.
Have my reconsider my options more strongly when a device upgrade comes around.
I'm sure that's your best interest.

Glassed Silver:ios

Are you talking about AirPlay music now? Because, as far as I know, AirPlay video only works on the Apple TV, and I stream a lot of YouTube videos that way from my iPhone - very convenient.
 
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I questioned why I even bought the ATV 4 when it's so locked down and side-loading kodi once a week just to watch other files types.

Apple isn't being very customer service friendly, your customers obviously want to download files and watch them.

They're gonna start to jump ship, which I'll be doing.

Cool story bro!

Don't forget to hit the lights on your way out. :rolleyes:
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Sidestepping the obvious piracy angle here, what are you playing on your Kodi that Plex can't play?

Does Plex play isos?
 
Hopefully this is in preparation for an ATV 5 release with speaker and mic a la Amazon Echo or the new Google Home alongside new Macs. ATV4 cut $50 across the board.
 
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I _think_ they're planning on a next gen before Christmas, so the 4th gen will take up the lower tier, and a new device (5th gen) will be the high end model. I'd assume 4K, maybe a processor update, and heck, I'm not even sure what else (outside of software improvements **) they can do to a media device..

Oh, I don't know. Maybe one thing they can do with a media device is have it support a few of the common media formats so people can play their own media files. While they're at it, since it's a media "streaming" device allow people to stream those nice standard formats from their own media repository.

On the other hand, since Apple is making a half-assed effort at living room gaming they could support some games that cry out for a real controller or *gasp* multiple real controllers for multiple concurrent players. Like we had back in the 1970's. Revolutionary and magical, I know.
 
Still rocking my ATV2s (jailbroken) - but really only use it to play movies I've rented on iTunes.
 
I questioned why I even bought the ATV 4 when it's so locked down and side-loading kodi once a week just to watch other files types.

Apple isn't being very customer service friendly, your customers obviously want to download files and watch them.

They're gonna start to jump ship, which I'll be doing.

ever heard of beamer? its a mac app that lets you airplay any content directly from your PC. It's godly.
 
Maybe not on mobile devices but certainly not in the professional audio sector. Radio stations, producers and recording studios make heavy usage of 3.5mm (and its larger brethren). Then there's the millions of people around the world with legacy hifi systems. I know you were exaggerating with your claim that "noone" uses the jack but you're wrong... very very wrong.
 
apple tv has slipped into irrelevance. It doesnt do anything well anymore. I tried to stream my macbook screen to it last night to watch a basketball game and it was glitchy and jerky. Switched over to the chromecast and cast the google chrome tab and it was flawless and uninterrupted for the entire game. How is it that my roku in the bedroom and chrome cast in the living room are better options than my apple tv and xbox one?
 
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