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I just don't get it. Are you intentionally being dense, or do you really misunderstand Apple this completely?
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Apple Discontinues Xserve, Only Available Until January 31st
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Who are you people that post things like this ^?
I just don't get it. Are you intentionally being dense, or do you really misunderstand Apple this completely?
The form factor will be the big bad thing that comes out of this. Racks make things so much easier (well, after the server is IN the rack
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Simplifies Apple's OS strategy
I figured Apple might keep Xserve around to run a "Pro" version of Mac OS 11, which I think will be some kind of iOS + Mac OS X hybrid compiled for multi-core ARM. Getting rid of Xserve means Apple won't need to worry about maintaining both an Intel and ARM build of Mac OS 11.
And getting rid of Xserve is just a baby step toward eventually dumping Intel entirely. It would give Apple even lower component costs, eliminate any 'hackintosh' market, and let Apple ship hardware and software optimized for each other. Intel's CISC architecture no doubt contains plenty of silicon for running legacy Windows instructions that Apple's compilers never use.
That PA Semi acquisition is looking more and more important to Apple's future. I can't wait.
I figured Apple might keep Xserve around to run a "Pro" version of Mac OS 11, which I think will be some kind of iOS + Mac OS X hybrid compiled for multi-core ARM. Getting rid of Xserve means Apple won't need to worry about maintaining both an Intel and ARM build of Mac OS 11.
And getting rid of Xserve is just a baby step toward eventually dumping Intel entirely. It would give Apple even lower component costs, eliminate any 'hackintosh' market, and let Apple ship hardware and software optimized for each other. Intel's CISC architecture no doubt contains plenty of silicon for running legacy Windows instructions that Apple's compilers never use.
That PA Semi acquisition is looking more and more important to Apple's future. I can't wait.
I wonder what this means for Xsan? I was just researching the purchase of a Promise vtrak raid with an xserve for the metadata controller for our video department. No way I would purchase it now. I really question apple's future support of the pro video market.
What? The Average Consumer represents the vast bulk of the consumer market. How the hell does that "marginalize" OS X/iOS? Do you know what "marginalize" even means?? Apple is EXPANDING in the consumer market with their iOS/App Store push. iOS/Mac development is about to explode. Record Macs sales, record iPhone sales, the iPad already having sold over 7 million since April, etc. Apple is set to dominate consumer tech in the next decade. If there is going to be a battle, it'll be between Apple and someone else.
To address your question: I'm an advanced user. I've been around computers since the age of 6. I learned to program in BASIC back in the day. I used to be a regular on customize.org, for example, as LTD. Check out my work:
http://customize.org/LTD
Nothing that insanely good. But I had fun for a while.
I ran Linux exclusively for about two years. Learned a lot. Especially about what's good for average folk and what isn't. And it IS NOT "***** with the settings", I'll tell you that much. I get work done on my Mac - all my Apple products, in ease and style. And I love it. No messing around, no tweaking, no "customizing." It's a breath of fresh air. And I'm completely in favour of Apple catering to the average user. That's the highest ideal of tech - to serve everyday people. It's meant to be as easy and painless as possible, so we can get on with doing other things that matter.
I'm shocked. Flat out shocked. I did not expect this. Maybe they are having issues getting the hexacore CPU into a 1U ? I can see the idea of saying the MP makes more sense, but two of them take up 12U!
An Xserve wasn't a computer ? Really ?
Considering everything from your car's ECU to a full blown multi-core Cray XE6 chassis are computers, with everything in the middle like TI programmable calculators and smartphones also being computers, what exactly is it about the Xserve that makes you say it wasn't a computer ?
This is funny! You obviously don't know anything about business. Apple has become one of the strongest high tech companies on this planet because of building products that people want to buy.
In business you focus where you can succeed. You put your efforts where you can make money. Xserve was a great idea and a decent product, but it's not Apple's business. They don't have the infrastructure to maintain this business and it's smart of them to back out.
Yes, there is a rack full of Xserves and storage about 75 feet from my desk in the server room. Biggest complaint is the fan noise-- Apple should have redesigned the cooling.
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I wonder if they're using their own hardware at all in North Carolina.
Maybe Apple is conceding that they're expertise is in front end development and they're happy with Google and Microsoft and others providing the backend.
Or maybe the Mac Pro will morph into something appropriate for data centers with forthcoming releases.
I wonder if they're using their own hardware at all in North Carolina.
Maybe Apple is conceding that they're expertise is in front end development and they're happy with Google and Microsoft and others providing the backend.
Or maybe the Mac Pro will morph into something appropriate for data centers with forthcoming releases.
People moaned when OS 10.0 was released.
People moaned when OS9 was killed.
People moaned when there wasn't a G5 powerbook.
People moaned (and then some!) when Apple moved to x86 processors .
People moaned when there was never a Newton 2.
People moaned when they released the iPad.
Rinse, repeat.
People moaned when OS9 was killed.
People moaned when there wasn't a G5 powerbook.
People moaned (and then some!) when Apple moved to x86 processors .
People moaned when there was never a Newton 2.
People moaned when they released the iPad.
Rinse, repeat.
They're whoever is handing Apple record quarters, now to the tune of $20 billion. Apple certainly hasn't shut THEM out. Apple is catering to them like no one else.
Missing Xserves will barely get noticed. Except on little tech sites like MacRumors where most members live in their own little (un)reality, completely outside the actual market.
Nooooo
I manage a bank of 20 Xserves at work, and I love them. We were waiting on a refresh to update them all as well. Telling me to replace with Mac Pros simply doesn't work - wrong form factor, no redundancy.
Boo hiss.
I've seen rack mount trays for holding 4 mac mini servers. For example:
http://www.macessitywebstore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MX4
Hopefully that helps.
You could not be more wrong!
We sell LOADS of XServes, and for many tasks neither the Mac Pro nor the Mini can replace an XServe!
No dual PSU, no hotswap HDs or PSU's
The mini has no user changable HDs, nor can it use PCI cards meaning no FiberChannel or SCSI devices..
The Pro uses 250w more than an XServe in Default config - do you know what that means to your UPS loads??
And the fact that you can't mount them in a rack is just a joke!
Ohh, and the Pro uses about 6 times the rackspace on an XServe + more power = Never gonna use a Pro if we can get around it!
You could not be more wrong!
We sell LOADS of XServes, and for many tasks neither the Mac Pro nor the Mini can replace an XServe!
No dual PSU, no hotswap HDs or PSU's
The mini has no user changable HDs, nor can it use PCI cards meaning no FiberChannel or SCSI devices..
The Pro uses 250w more than an XServe in Default config - do you know what that means to your UPS loads??
And the fact that you can't mount them in a rack is just a joke!
Ohh, and the Pro uses about 6 times the rackspace on an XServe + more power = Never gonna use a Pro if we can get around it!
There will be virtually no impact to Apple's bottom line. Sorry.
The blockbuster success of Apple's consumer divisions for the past few years (especially this last quarter) demonstrated what Apple should *continue* to focus on.
Yeah and you dont see the difference between those you mentioned and the Xserve, everything you mentioned have been replaced with something right after it was "canceled", except for the newton that took quite a while longer, its a different story with the Xserve, there will probably be no replacement whatsoever.
opportuniity for 3rd party
My old company is STILL using its old 1 Ghz G5 xServe. The thing WILL NOT miss a beat.
BUT, Apple has not been kind. The caddies for the hard drive bays cost twice what a good large capacity hard drive costs. It is hard to justify spending $300 for a hunk of plastic with a connector in it. They wound up using external Firewire drives.
Back in the '80's, folks were taking Mac ROMs and sticking them into devices called MacSack/MagicSack to make their Atari STs run MacOS, ostensibly to get a bigger screen.
For those of us who like racks, nothing keeps LaCie or Antec from making a case (1u, 2u, 3u or more) designed specifically for MacPro/MacMini guts.
An expensive way to go on the MacPro side, and a waste of a very fine case, but a business opportunity for somebody.
My old company is STILL using its old 1 Ghz G5 xServe. The thing WILL NOT miss a beat.
BUT, Apple has not been kind. The caddies for the hard drive bays cost twice what a good large capacity hard drive costs. It is hard to justify spending $300 for a hunk of plastic with a connector in it. They wound up using external Firewire drives.
Back in the '80's, folks were taking Mac ROMs and sticking them into devices called MacSack/MagicSack to make their Atari STs run MacOS, ostensibly to get a bigger screen.
For those of us who like racks, nothing keeps LaCie or Antec from making a case (1u, 2u, 3u or more) designed specifically for MacPro/MacMini guts.
An expensive way to go on the MacPro side, and a waste of a very fine case, but a business opportunity for somebody.
We have a mess of these at work.
They're overpriced, Apple dropped support on them quickly, and replacement parts cost a ton.
Apple treated the enterprise as a joke, and now they are turning their back on it.
Looks like we have a lot of migration ahead of us.
They're overpriced, Apple dropped support on them quickly, and replacement parts cost a ton.
Apple treated the enterprise as a joke, and now they are turning their back on it.
Looks like we have a lot of migration ahead of us.
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I have it on good authority that the G5 PowerBook is coming next Tuesday.
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I have it on good authority that the G5 PowerBook is coming next Tuesday.