Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple spreads tons of FUD, constantly saying their competitors sell user data. Apple carefully words their attacks to not specifically name google but say competitors.

You almost make it sound like Google has never sold any user data.
 
You almost make it sound like Google has never sold any user data.
They haven't of course as the more informed members already know, but that won't prevent certain fans less interested in fact than FUD claiming they do anyway. I suspect they're the same fans who get so perturbed if something is written about Apple that's not 100% accurate.

Both goose and gander living in a glass house?
 
See today's article. We didn't know our apps dominated the App Store, after denying it, they changed their algorithm. "We didn't know" is corporate code word for "oops, we got caught" and here we are discussing how truthful Apple is being about these vulnerabilities. It's not just Apple, most companies do this type of thing.
 
  • Like
Reactions: macfacts
That's one of the problems with apple and security that the google report brought up. Apple is acting after flaws are found instead of using standard quality assurance processes to prevent them from even happening.
Are you implying that "standard quality assurance processes" will prevent all issues?
 
  • Like
Reactions: MrUNIMOG
See today's article. We didn't know our apps dominated the App Store, after denying it, they changed their algorithm. "We didn't know" is corporate code word for "oops, we got caught" and here we are discussing how truthful Apple is being about these vulnerabilities. It's not just Apple, most companies do this type of thing.

That’s one of the issues I have with Apple. I feel they apologise a little too much these days. What happened to the unapologetic Apple who marched to their own beat without caring a crap what everyone else thought or felt?
 
You almost make it sound like Google has never sold any user data.

Think of it this way, the user data is like the source code of software. If google sold that, what reason would any customer do repeat business with google? What reason would any future potential customer do business with google when they can buy it cheaper from the first customer.
 
  • Like
Reactions: russell_314
Well, Apple manufactures iPhone right, why wouldn't they go after others who tell them otherwise.?

Apple knows their owns security, so they would more likely blast the hell out of others who tell then different.
 
Think of it this way, the user data is like the source code of software. If google sold that, what reason would any customer do repeat business with google? What reason would any future potential customer do business with google when they can buy it cheaper from the first customer.
People do business with google because most people don’t know or care what google does with your data? And they have a product that is hard to replicate?
 
Google uses my data to send me targeted advertisements no matter where I am on the web provided the websites call the apis.
I believe they use your otherwise anonymized Advertising ID Number bundled in with hundreds if not thousands or millions of others with similar demographics, and not 17Guy living at 123 Elm Street in Anytown...
Assuming of course you even have a Google account. If you don't then "you" aren't being directly targeted by Google anyway as far as I can tell.

Companies/websites you visit can of course remarket to you, and using a number of different ways of putting themselves in front, a Google Ad being one of many choices. BlueKai (an Oracle company) is another popular choice. Facebook too. In that case it is the visited website using information they gathered from you and then in general contracting with an ad placement company to reconnect using a non-personal random ad identifier that was generated when you visited the company's website. Apple for instance uses Pixel Tags to generate an associated number as they are more appropriate for many of the pages on Apple's site.

Here is a good site for explaining what these things are.
https://www.visualiq.com/resources/...-tags-and-pixels-tracking-customer-engagement
 
Last edited:
Sure, with user data utilized for targeting. That's what people mean by "sell user data".
That's the"u" in FUD. Uncertainty. So many lies from apple that "selling user data" takes on new meaning. Tell the lie so many times, people arent sure what google sells
 
I heard that all Uighurs switched from iPhones to Android phones after this revelation.
Sure because the hackers also targeted Android phones. For some reason Google forgot to mention this in their announcement right before the iPhone launch o_O
 
Sure because the hackers also targeted Android phones. For some reason Google forgot to mention this in their announcement right before the iPhone launch o_O
You're parroting something someone said and that you'd love to believe. It's at BEST a half-truth, but IMO closer to disinformation and misdirection.

An independent research group finds that just one of those 11 identified sites may have also tried to access Android devices as well but failed as it was trying to use a Chrome exploit that Google closed back in 2017.

You could be forgiven for not knowing any better but now that you do repeating "hackers targeted Android too and Google didn't mention it" becomes part of the FUD "whaddabout" campaign and you really don't want to be part of that do you?
 
You're parroting something someone said and that you'd love to believe. It's at BEST a half-truth, but IMO closer to disinformation and misdirection.

An independent research group finds that just one of those 11 identified sites may have also tried to access Android devices as well but failed as it was trying to use a Chrome exploit that Google closed back in 2017.

You could be forgiven for not knowing any better but now that you do repeating "hackers targeted Android too and Google didn't mention it" becomes part of the FUD "whaddabout" campaign and you really don't want to be part of that do you?
Sure China was only interested in the Muslims with iPhones. I can believe that
 
Google uses my data to send me targeted advertisements no matter where I am on the web provided the websites call the apis.
So stop visiting those web sites or start paying those websites so they don't have to resort to showing ads to survive.
 
Sure China was only interested in the Muslims with iPhones. I can believe that
That's better, your opinion. Opinions are always acceptable.

The available facts are there's no evidence that any of those 11 sites that successfully exploited iPhones were able to also successfully exploit Android handsets. Thus the reason Project Zero would not say they did, tho that doesn't stop some lazier posters from parroting some claim they heard someplace that Project Zero was dishonestly leaving out that Android was hacked by those sites too which turns out to be false according to what we know.

See, it makes more sense when you take the time to look for yourself. I'm sure you appreciate Project Zero not saying "yeah those sites tried to exploit Android too but couldn't".
 
So stop visiting those web sites or start paying those websites so they don't have to resort to showing ads to survive.
Exactly the logic to be used if you don’t like the fact that Apple uses Siri transcripts and humans to improve Siri. Stop complaining and don't use Siri and don’t contribute to Siri improvement.
 
Exactly the logic to be used if you don’t like the fact that Apple uses Siri transcripts and humans to improve Siri. Stop complaining and don't use Siri and don’t contribute to Siri improvement.
Google doesn't hide the fact they show ads. Apple brags about privacy on their platform. Zero transparency on apples part.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.