One error in you statement, while they look the same they aren’t. Apple changed how the graphics “fly” around the screen and that is what makes it lag, “judder and stutter” in this latest update.
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One error in you statement, while they look the same they aren’t. Apple changed how the graphics “fly” around the screen and that is what makes it lag, “judder and stutter” in this latest update.
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maflynn
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Because companies have been doing that for years. The automotive industry is rife with examples of introducing planned obsolesces, forcing consumers to buy new cars every few years.
Apple in its own right is doing similar actions on the hardware front, buy sealing their products, not allowing upgrades. Its not much of a leap to see iDevices feeling slower after an upgrade and assuming apple is actually doing it on purpose.
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dogslobber
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MacOS was a piece of trash before Panther came along but even the the owners of those crappy Macs could DOWnGRADE.
Apple, why the heck can’t I downgrade my older phone back to the level of performance it had by going back to its original OS build? Yeah, see you in court.
dogslobber
macrumors 601
It’s called software bloat and is an excuse for adding layers of complexity to do nothing useful.
baryon
macrumors 601
The CPU performance will be the same, but the CPU may be doing more stuff due to more features, making the overall experience slower. Just compare an iPhone 4S running iOS 7 vs iOS 9. The one running iOS 9 will be much slower, there are plenty of tests online and YouTube videos to confirm this. Things like typing on the keyboard, scrolling, opening and closing apps will all have more and more delay the greater your iOS version.
Was it deliberate to make people upgrade? Maybe not. Did it force many people to upgrade? Probably. Was it good for Apple? Obviously. Do they have a reason to stop doing this? Why would they?
If you don't believe me just make a video of your current iPhone doing daily tasks, like typing on the keyboard and scrolling. Then come back 3 years later with the same phone updated to iOS 13 or whichever one will be current by then. Compare it to the video and you'll see that it's gotten slower. Which makes perfect sense, you haven't upgraded your hardware but you've upgraded your software. It couldn't be any other way.
The only part that makes me angry is that iOS updates are almost compulsory. If you want to keep using an app that used to work fine on iOS 7, well that app will now refuse to re-download and you must upgrade to iOS 9. If you updated your iOS to a newer one, but found that it's slower, there is no way in hell you can downgrade. I mean it's just not possible. Why does Apple go to such lengths to prevent people from going back to a previous version of iOS? Surely if someone wants to go back, it's because the previous one was better for them. Why prevent that?
Was it deliberate to make people upgrade? Maybe not. Did it force many people to upgrade? Probably. Was it good for Apple? Obviously. Do they have a reason to stop doing this? Why would they?
If you don't believe me just make a video of your current iPhone doing daily tasks, like typing on the keyboard and scrolling. Then come back 3 years later with the same phone updated to iOS 13 or whichever one will be current by then. Compare it to the video and you'll see that it's gotten slower. Which makes perfect sense, you haven't upgraded your hardware but you've upgraded your software. It couldn't be any other way.
The only part that makes me angry is that iOS updates are almost compulsory. If you want to keep using an app that used to work fine on iOS 7, well that app will now refuse to re-download and you must upgrade to iOS 9. If you updated your iOS to a newer one, but found that it's slower, there is no way in hell you can downgrade. I mean it's just not possible. Why does Apple go to such lengths to prevent people from going back to a previous version of iOS? Surely if someone wants to go back, it's because the previous one was better for them. Why prevent that?
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dogslobber
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In the old days nobody upgraded the OS unless they were techies. Now your phone deviously gets you to upgrade but you can’t go back. It’s like putting your head in a lion’s mouth. Sometimes the lion won’t bite so all is good but if the lion bites your head off then you won’t be updating your phone OS anymore.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Define slower; define faster. That the javascript engine was rewritten in IOS 9 makes browsing faster. That makes the phone faster.
No video is needed to prove my 4 year old 5s is performing admirably under IOS 11 doing daily tasks.
mi7chy
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In the case of iOS 11, major features like 32-bit app compatibility is stripped and new features aren't trickled down to older devices. Zero reason it should be running slower when it should be running faster. The fact that the slowness is even more widespread with slow iPhone 8 sales is highly suspect.
Falhófnir
macrumors 603
That’s only half the story; iPhone hardware advances have outpaced iOS resource demand increases for quite some time now, that shows in that the iPhone 5 on it’s last firmware isn’t as bad as the 4s on its or the 4 on its and the 5s is better yet on what could be it’s final major release version. What makes a surprisingly big difference is optimisation, really crappily optimised software could make a Mac Pro stutter and hang even if it ran fluidly on a MacBook Air. Now we’re past the point where chip performance is the real bottleneck, what will make a device fluid or stuttery is how well optimised the software is to run on it.
dogslobber
macrumors 601
What rubbish. You have never done software planning by the sounds of it. Feature development can span multiple releases so no assumption can be made on development effort unless it’s formally disclosed. Companies like Apple have QA depts to perform regression testing on legacy hardware. That’s when performane degradations would be found.
Developers != Engineers. Do not ever confuse a real engineer with a software developer.
Software developers exist for a single reason to meet the goals a priorities of the company they work for. As with any project planning, developers need to plan the time line and deliver to that deadline. If said developer can’t make their dates then remedial action is taken. Quality suffers because a development time line is too aggressive. But more often than not a developer sets a deadline and fails to meet the deadline because they underestimate and fail to deliver. If you miss your dates then you’re liable and the cause of poor quality. Marketing milestones are rigid releases for specific reasons that are more important than any developer.
Totally false statement!
Windows upgrade regularly and MSDOS did the same.
So what’s changed? In the olden days there wasn’t any over the air, WiFi or other such easy updates. We had to buy the OS upgrade, first on floppies and then CD/DVD. And this happened at least every year or close to it.
Upgrading brings in revenue.
While we’re at it go and look at all the threads demanding Apple add new features and innovations to their aging products.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
As noted, its generally accepted that GM embraced the idea, and some attribute them as inventing it.
Here's a couple of links regarding general motors planned obsolesce
Goodbye, GM
The hidden cost of planned obsolescence
Here's a couple of articles regarding Apple.
Is Apple Guilty of Planned Obsolescence?
Apple’s Latest ‘Innovation’ Is Turning Planned Obsolescence Into Planned Failure
Here's the Wiki page regarding planned obsolesce and its evident its a practice that others embrace.
I get the gist of what you are writing about, but your a bit off.
Software developers exist because they want to make money working in a field they are passionate about. Employers employ them to do a job with quality and on time.
Marketing people drive all sales at some level. No marketing, even the most basic, and the results are no sales and therefore no jobs for software developers.
Back in the day we were chasing hardware upgrades as the tech developed. I had boxes of old slow junk, from cpus to monitors. I’m much happier these days because my desktop is five years old and still flying, iPhone 6 is 3+ and soon to get upgraded, wife’s iPad 2 and our mini iPad is still used by grandson.
Exactly my point, Apple had stopped doing this since iPhone 5 due to Android had become much more popular. That's why, please, do the debunking on iPhone 4s and previous models too.
Let's see, bug fixes are bundled with feature updates which noticeably affect UI performance, users are badgered to install these updates, and within days of their release it becomes impossible to revert if your device is adversely affected. Further, forums are filled with complains about degraded performance of older devices. Whether or not the intent is to affect performance of older devices, it's pretty clear that pushing people into updates that do affect performance is deliberate.
If Apple wished, they could provide security updates separately from major feature updates, and they could support older versions of iOS for longer than the few days or weeks.
scottrods
macrumors regular
I didn't suggest it was FORCED... I said it is created by (unspoken word *newer*)Technology. With the next big thing comes more demanding everything... no one is forcing anything in my opinion. As a matter of fact, you can make a complete backup copy of all versions of your iPhone's system and store it, and revert back to whatever version you have saved... No kidding. right there in iTunes... Mine does anyway... What you're asking is for apple to save your stuff for you with no action required by you, so you can fix your screw-ups on their time and dime after perceived obsolescence. I also have a good used iPhone 4S that is very usable running iOS 9.3.5... The last update available for it. It was not rendered useless by any upgrades or updates... I have only reverted back one time in all of my iPhone days, and that was due to an error I made... and I had my backup sitting and waiting for the reversion.
Apple and everyone else will allow you to make YOUR decisions up to a point they cease support for it and after as experience tells me. No one is required by apple to update to the new IOS or anything. it's a decision that the owner makes. You can turn off updates from day one of purchase. I have an older (3rd gen) iPad... they don't update it at all any longer... what it has is where it will roam until it physically or electronically dies. no new software. The technology has changed in the iPads to a point they no longer support it. So it is incumbent on me to live with it or buy a new one or toss it in the trash or whatever... it's OLD.
Anything newer and there may be cut-offs on what they deem good business to support. In electronics it's not like cars, where the government has rules that require a certain amount of support, and parts availability is covered for a period of time (it used to be something like seven years they had to build new parts for old cars... not sure what it is now) I don't think any Cell phone manufacturer is regulated like that... they just choose to keep their customers happy. Once the phone exceeds it's payment plan and is out of standard or extended warranty, obsolescence is something they can do if they like. Welcome to an un-winnable Class action Lawsuit.
If you know final cut pro studio users who makes a living from it and had invested lots of money on hardware, specifically designed for Final Cut Studio, you can ask them how they feel about Final Cut Pro X: How can educated people really believe a company is deliberately pissing off customers?
You will receive the enlightenment you are seeking.
Apple literally tells us to F-off and off we go with HP Worskstation & Adobe Premier Pro.
You will receive the enlightenment you are seeking.
Apple literally tells us to F-off and off we go with HP Worskstation & Adobe Premier Pro.
You sound like someone who would take the side of car manufacturers if they decided they were going to disable airbags a few years after the car was sold. Consumer protection is a good thing, and allowing big companies to get away with screwing over the public to force planned obsolescence on us is not. I don't care if android gets away with leaving their customer base stranded after less than two years. I think that both iPhone and android users ought to be able to get at least security updates for phones running old versions of the OS for many, many years. I would still be on iOS 6 right no instead of iOS 10 if it weren't for security patches intentionally not being related for old versions. My phone ran so much better on iOS 6.
If you are willing to buy new iPhones (back in the original iPhone until iPhone 4s days) at least once every two years and have enough time migrating your data, then there is no such thing as: Apple cripples older devices via software update.
iPhone 6 Plus owner reporting:
Latency ACROSS THE BOARD—i.e., in ALL apps, especially native ones, like Safari, Contacts, and iTunes—has gone from a range of .3 to 1.5 seconds' wait time for simple events (loading the app, tapping on something in the app, waiting for a view to display after tapping a feature, etc.) BEFORE the iOS 11 upgrade to a wait time of something in the range of 5 to 35 seconds AFTER the iOS 11 upgrade. Whether or not you attribute this to "deliberate" actions on the part of Apple or its engineers is moot. The fact remains: the iOS 11 upgrade MARKEDLY slows down older devices—by a x5 or even x40 the amount of wait time. I continually question whether the ease gained from the addition of new features justifies the amount of time I spend daily waiting for apps to respond. We have gone from owning BMWs and Porches easily able to jump to and cruise at 110 mph to owning 1960s VWs that take 25 seconds of shifting through gears to attain the meager speed of 55 mph.
Latency ACROSS THE BOARD—i.e., in ALL apps, especially native ones, like Safari, Contacts, and iTunes—has gone from a range of .3 to 1.5 seconds' wait time for simple events (loading the app, tapping on something in the app, waiting for a view to display after tapping a feature, etc.) BEFORE the iOS 11 upgrade to a wait time of something in the range of 5 to 35 seconds AFTER the iOS 11 upgrade. Whether or not you attribute this to "deliberate" actions on the part of Apple or its engineers is moot. The fact remains: the iOS 11 upgrade MARKEDLY slows down older devices—by a x5 or even x40 the amount of wait time. I continually question whether the ease gained from the addition of new features justifies the amount of time I spend daily waiting for apps to respond. We have gone from owning BMWs and Porches easily able to jump to and cruise at 110 mph to owning 1960s VWs that take 25 seconds of shifting through gears to attain the meager speed of 55 mph.
Apple stops deliberately crippling iPhones since iPhone 5, so I think this is caused by rushed launching date. Either that or pure incompetence that either way, will be fixed by next software update.