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You could not be more wrong. The Wii was a gimmick from the start. It was different & fairly inexpensive so it caught on. The problem is the content did not follow so people go bored. Also you really need a large open space which most people don't have.

iOS OTOH is the next Mac OS. At some point in the next decade (and I don't think Apple has made this any huge secret) iPads and MB/MBPs are going to do a mashup. The iPad is effectively the prototype for the laptop of tomorrow.

Content for iOS expands daily, a lot of it worthwhile, unlike that for the Wii. And, unlike the avg $40 for a Wii game, iOS apps are significantly less expensive. In fact, that alone is driving people away from giving their kids Nintendo DSes and toward low end iPod touches. But most importantly the Wii is just a game machine. The iOS devices are whatever you want them to be. And frankly on short trips I leave my MBP and take my iPad. And I love that the iPad is powerful enough to be able to do that.


+1 I agree with these thoughts.

Besides... most consumers don't need or want a full laptop. They want portability, reliability, and fun. The iPad provides all that.

Laptops will live on for the foreseeable future, but eventually something like the iPad will take over as the power and capabilities rise.
 
+1

sick of the ipad crap. at its best its still a niche product..high sales only reflect its mass marketing. sort of like the nintendo wii.
at the end of the day, people will turn away and still go back to do real work on their MBPs.
like how most families now have a wii...but never use it

I don't mind the iPad / iPhone hype, and why should we bother that some people buy stuff that within a couple of months ends up somewhere back in the attic? If that's the way they want to waste their money, so be it.
Let's just hope that Apple won't turn regular Mac's (desktop/notebook) into something with the same closed and fixed environment that iOS-devices have today. I'm already not that fond of the AppStore and LaunchPad.
 
Let's just hope that Apple won't turn regular Mac's (desktop/notebook) into something with the same closed and fixed environment that iOS-devices have today. I'm already not that fond of the AppStore and LaunchPad.

That will actually BE the next transition.

If you take the drives out of MacBooks etc. and replace them with flash memory, add cloud storage, use voice recognition (no keyboard needed, not even on screen) faster processors and sharper displays you are almost there today.

I predict LARGER ipad type devices with some ports to import things (which will then be replaced by wireless) hook up precision pens, mice etc. for tighter control. photoshop, designers etc.)

The currently older consumer generation which grew up with different older
technologies (Remember modems, telex and faxes?) will no longer be there to require THEIR type technology.

As today's younger generation will grow up with cloud computing, touch and voice recognition technology, they will not miss keyboards, back up HD's DVD's etc. They already don't buy CD's for music consumption.

The main challenge I see is that we will have to come up with new energy sources to power all these devices and make batteries lighter or replace them with fuel cells. These should be instant charge, i.e. if your energy runs out, you connect it to a power source with an instant load of say 30 seconds within a gas station type network. These charge stations will be everywhere.

The current ipad runs rings around the very first 1984 Mac. That was only 27 years ago.

Expect larger size DESKPADS to be the Mac Pros of the future.
 
Anyone else getting sick of all this gossip? The majority of these rumors/speculation is just guessing based off common sense business practice. OF COURSE Apple will ramp up production due to a product refresh. You know what I bet they have even been in talks with their suppliers to renegotiate contracts. And that the work force/hours have been increased. And Tensions are high at the manufacturing plants. And stock on current models will become depleted and even discounted.

I know news is news but the common sense gossip is getting a tad out of hand.

Pardon my rant.
 
I'm sure 0 of the SATA ports would be affected on any Macs with sandy bridge. Apple is going to put chips with defects in their stuff when they know about the defects. Intel is paying to replace all those chips, anyway.

I'm not sure how you can say this, unless you have some specific information the rest of us lack. I wouldn't put it past Apple to use the "faulty" chipsets, especially if they wanted to update their Mac lineup before the newer chipsets are available.


Back to topic:

I wonder if Apple is eager to use the faulty Intel chipset in the new MBP´s.
Even if they don´t need to use the faulty Sata Controller, its still a little bit fishy for Intel/Apple and the customers.

Would´t like it, even if it is not rational. ;)

Anyway I think Intel would prevent Apple from assembling them.

So mid March for the MBPs with the "redesigned" chipset should be realistic.


J.

Despite what we know about the problem with the Cougar chipsets, I agree with you.


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Back to Topic:

Here in Germany all big Resellers are running low for the MBP´s 13".
The 15" and 17" are sold out, no in stock again date given.

Sorry for my rudimentary English.

Keep on Waiting and discussing. ;)

By the way, I´d like to have:

SSD- 256GB as standard.
750GB harddrive 7200RPM as a secondary device (option)

Quadcore I5 SB

GPU 1GB minimum

according to me no need for a DVD-Drive, maybe a good discount on an external drive should be given as an option.

Rugged unibody - Liquid Metal would be fine.
The aluminium Dents drive me mad. :D


J.

I am not sure how practical this is IF Apple uses the faulty chipsets. I posted this in another thread, but I will repost it here because it is pertinent. From Laptop Mag:

Because the chipset error does not affect the first two SATA ports on the motherboard, Intel has agreed to resume shipments of the affected boards as long as OEMs promise not to use the other four ports. On notebooks, the only devices that attach to SATA ports are the hard drives, optical drives, and eSATA ports. Considering that most notebooks have just one hard drive, one optical drive, and no eSATA ports, most systems should be able to ship without a problem. Notebooks that have dual hard drives or eSATA ports can still ship as long as the vendor uses a third-party SATA controller card for those extra ports.

I am not sure why Apple couldn't just use both SATA 3 ports without a third-party controller, so any clarification would be appreciated.

Regardless, I would bet Apple will wait until after the debut of Lion to introduce a dual-hard drive (SSD boot + mechanical data drive) configuration as a way to market the speed of Lion.


I don't rly understand all the whine about how apple forgot their macs.They'r updated as always.Last year we got core i's in the imacs and some macbook pro's , new gpus , new mac pros. What else do you people think apple will put in this refresh ? Sandy Bridge. That's it. But it won't make the new macs "fly" :)

as about the core 2 duo drama - core i3 is not that better cpu and compared with the intel crap gpu it's actually worst. If intel and nvidia manage to work together, that would be nice.Otherwise apple would have to think of something :)

I think the upcoming refresh will be silent with minor updates to the CPU and GPU. That's it. I don't think we will see any major changes (e.g., dual hard-drives) until after Lion is released. Hopefully, this will happen with the release of Ivy Bridge. My hope for Ivy Bridge--quad cores across the MBP line, dual-hdds (SSD + mechanical) even though this likely means the removal of the ODD, and USB 3. Wishful thinking would include Light Peak and the return of an ExpressCard slot on the 15". If Apple removes the ODD, I would hope they would include the external drive in the price, but it will likely be a $99 add-on.


+1

sick of the ipad crap. at its best its still a niche product..high sales only reflect its mass marketing. sort of like the nintendo wii.
at the end of the day, people will turn away and still go back to do real work on their MBPs.
like how most families now have a wii...but never use it

You could not be more wrong. The Wii was a gimmick from the start. It was different & fairly inexpensive so it caught on. The problem is the content did not follow so people go bored. Also you really need a large open space which most people don't have.

iOS OTOH is the next Mac OS. At some point in the next decade (and I don't think Apple has made this any huge secret) iPads and MB/MBPs are going to do a mashup. The iPad is effectively the prototype for the laptop of tomorrow.

Content for iOS expands daily, a lot of it worthwhile, unlike that for the Wii. And, unlike the avg $40 for a Wii game, iOS apps are significantly less expensive. In fact, that alone is driving people away from giving their kids Nintendo DSes and toward low end iPod touches. But most importantly the Wii is just a game machine. The iOS devices are whatever you want them to be. And frankly on short trips I leave my MBP and take my iPad. And I love that the iPad is powerful enough to be able to do that.

The Wii may be a gimmick to you, but our family enjoys playing it on a consistent basis. It is also great for parties. Games may be a bit expensive at retail, but I have been able to purchase all of the popular titles we own at a (sometimes much) lower cost by looking for deals.
 
Because everyone plays the stock market and only base opinions on money :rolleyes:

Or they might -just not like the story for whatever reason.

But thanks for those figures !

Tell us more !

How much have you made on Apple from 2005 to now?

I love hearing about people and their money.

If a product is up in the stock market, it means I should buy it...Right??:rolleyes:

Ha! Loved that post, made me chuckle, AAPL is one of the companies i will never invest in! :p
 
When I am working again, and can afford one....

If the Macbook Pros are quad core and have 8gb ram, then I may be in. But right now I am leaning toward an iMac as running a virtual machine and video editing take up so much power.

Also, another problem with the macbook pro is that they combined the mic and ear ports. That may limit me, as I loop back the ear to the mic for recording webinars, etc. Doing that eliminates any noise that may be in the room. I need something that is quad core, 8gb ram, separate mic/ear ports, 2+ USB, and ethernet port. Can't have the ethernet running off USB. As it is now, my 2008 macbook only has 2 USB's. Therefore I have a 7 port external powered USB hub, and a non-powered 4 port notebook USB hub connected.
(2 printers, 2 external drives [1 data 1 time machine], external DVD recorder, livescribe pen, mini midi, need a port for syncing my iphones/ipad and when I connect my DSLR).

I think Core duos are fine for the white macbook and macbook air; as they are sold as being light consumer notebooks. We need to boost up the macbook pros, so that they are pro again. Like I said, I am leaning toward an imac - but that won't help when I am not at my home desk and need to do heavy work.

Also, those saying iPads are a niche business. Well, maybe for now- but they are becoming more main stream. I do all my regular work on my iPad, and save my macbook for more heavier stuff.

Someday, if / when I am working for a company that is entirely mac based; and Microsoft finally gives us OneNote on the mac - then I will not need a virtual machine. But until then - a lot of the utilites used by companies are windows based.. :(
 
I think ever since Apple switched to Intel, it also changed its laptop/desktop roadmap to go step in step with PC manufacturers. There won't be any big flashy releases, but Apple won't fall behind either, and can differentiate themselves with software/OS releases. This has lead to many small, incremental announcements - giving the impression that the Mac is being neglected when in fact it never has had it so good (and has sales to match).

The iOS is (still) a new, not-fully-realised platform with huge potential. At this point in its lifecycle, it's inevitable it'll be evolving faster than OS X.

As for tablets replacing desktops? Not for a long, loooooong time. It's a fantastic companion to a desktop/laptop, but a dreadful replacement for many people.
 
Macbook pro... now macbook pro air?

What are the rumors about this?
Could we expect a big redesign in the macbook pro models?
Are they going to be as thin as the macbook air?
why nobody is talking about it, isn't the update in a couple of weeks?
No dvd, less weight, thinner, etc?
 
Sweden is also running low on MBP. And the staff at the store adviced me to wait for the new model that is comming up, unlesss i was in a very desperate state after a MBP. So its comming soon i guess :p
 
What's your source for that? I was under the impression the 13" MBP is their best selling laptop? (no source)
Sorry I don't have a link for total MacBook sales compared to other Mac laptops, & it seems credible that on certain months sales of the 13" MBP, or for one of the MBA models, tops that of the MacBook. However, the MacBook is consistently referred to as either the best selling Mac laptop, or even the best selling Mac in history, whether in sources like Wikipedia or in many laptop reviews.

IMO, it's still too early to drop the consumer-priced MacBook as an option for those who still occasionally make use of DVD drives on their laptops, whether itinerant or not.
 
hot-selling meaning old outdated hardware.... thanks for trying to sell the masses 1+ year old technology at a premium, Apple. Way to discount based on a depreciated value of what your hardware is actually worth. I'm sorry.. but sometimes it's more than just the "experience" OSX brings and selling old hardware at the same prices just doesn't cut it.
 
Sweden is also running low on MBP. And the staff at the store adviced me to wait for the new model that is comming up, unlesss i was in a very desperate state after a MBP. So its comming soon i guess :p

The staff at that store would be getting their information from sites such as this one. They would know the MBP is due for a refresh, but not when it's going to happen.
 



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In a brief report on declining shipments in Taiwan's notebook manufacturing segment, DigiTimes claims that Apple and Samsung are the only major notebook companies increasing production over the year ago quarter, with the notebook industry as a whole reportedly targeting flat production compared with the year-ago quarter and down 5-10% from last quarter.

Apple is seen as one of the biggest boosts to the notebook market, with the company reportedly seeking to as much as double production of some "hot-selling" notebook models.Apple has been widely rumored to be on the verge of releasing new MacBook Pro models, which could explain such a significant ramp up in production as the company seeks to fill sales channels with the new models and stay ahead of customer demand. Despite dealing with a "design error" that has set back chipset production, Intel has announced a February 20th shipping date for the dual-core Sandy Bridge processors expected to be used in the next-generation MacBook Pro.

Article Link: Apple Doubling Production of Certain 'Hot-Selling' Notebook Models?

Or they could just be trying to address the amount of shortages that we've all been several flavors of ants-in-the-pants about in anticipation of the almighty refresh.

I would hold back on Sandy Bridge

Ivy will be a lil' better and , who wants the defect worries.

(and yes I understand only 2 SATA ports are affected)

Wait two months into this rev (which is always smart buying anyway for things like this) and they'll have shipped the machines with the corrected chipsets.

Finally. The Core 2 Duos at the price Apple charges is a complete insult and embarrassing.

Sure, but it's not like they're lagging atrociously at doing anything other than higher-end gaming which is better served by an iMac or a Mac Pro, let alone a PC desktop than an i7 MacBook Pro anyway. If anything, the graphics on the remaining Core 2 Duo Macs is the thing that's lagging, but it's not like we don't already have the best possible IGP in those Macs either. A rip off, sure. Too slow for most tasks? Not unless your needs are better served by a desktop anyway.

I bought my MacBook pro in Jan it is a 15 i7 core 2.66 model and I bumped the ram to 8gig it runs like a dream and does everything I want I have no regrets
I sure the new ones will be nice also
Personally I glad I bought when I did and I am very happy :D

I don't understand people who have regrets for anything other than buying so close to a refresh. If you bought your mid-2010 MacBook Pro and love it, then there's no need to do anything other than perhaps starting to save for the next one four or five years down the road, when it's actually sensible to upgrade.

Totally misleading report. I would also guess that Apple doubled the production of the new Macbook Air models since they are pushing it as a mainstream machine at a mainstream price. They are probably selling twice as much too. As for the rest of the models, I can imagine a slight increase in sales but we are not talking double.

Also, if Apple is going to have a complete redesign of the Macbook Pro line up, they probably expect more sales after the refresh. (Same thing that happened with the air.) Since the most popular 13" MBP CPU has not been upgraded for a while, I am sure that increases sales expectations. I know multiple people holding out for Sandy Bridge. (Wait, I am one of them.)

I don't know a single person outside of this forum who is forestalling their purchase of a 13" MacBook Pro because they want Sandy Bridge. Most people I know who want that kind of performance are opting for either a 15" MacBook Pro or a desktop Mac.

I just can't wait for the new MBP, so I can upgrade my old mid 2009 MBP to a new and shiny 2011 MBP:D

It's not like the would-be 13" MacBook Pro of 2011 will be all THAT much faster than your Mid 2009 model. Seems like a waste of money to me.

The design defect in the Sandy Bridge support chips is well understood. These chips were supposed to have two 6Gbit SATA ports, plus four 3 Gbit SATA ports. The design defect is a single transistor in the controller for the 3 Gbit ports. So what we have now is two perfectly fine 6Gbit ports. Since MacBooks have no way to use more than two SATA ports anyway (there is no physical space for three devices), there is no problem using these chips for a MacBook. On the other hand, they would be completely unusable for a Mac Pro.



Intel has started selling these chipsets now as perfectly fine chipsets with two SATA ports. There are no savings. Whoever buys them has to sign a paper that they are not going to use the four defective ports, so Intel will not replace any of the chips they are selling now if something goes wrong. (They will have to replace chips sold earlier though).

If Apple sells a 15" (and/or 17" for that matter) MacBook Pro with an optical drive, a hard drive, and the blade SSDs introduced in the Late 2010 MacBook Air (which they could conceivably do), they'd need three SATA ports.

double production?!

maybe because they are going to drop the white macbook?

makes sense

No it doesn't! How do you figure that? The education market only buys white MacBooks! Plus it's their cheapest full-featured model, which is appealing to those who just want a Mac laptop and don't care about looks or specs (of which there are a lot).

When I am working again, and can afford one....

If the Macbook Pros are quad core and have 8gb ram, then I may be in. But right now I am leaning toward an iMac as running a virtual machine and video editing take up so much power.

Also, another problem with the macbook pro is that they combined the mic and ear ports. That may limit me, as I loop back the ear to the mic for recording webinars, etc. Doing that eliminates any noise that may be in the room. I need something that is quad core, 8gb ram, separate mic/ear ports, 2+ USB, and ethernet port. Can't have the ethernet running off USB. As it is now, my 2008 macbook only has 2 USB's. Therefore I have a 7 port external powered USB hub, and a non-powered 4 port notebook USB hub connected.
(2 printers, 2 external drives [1 data 1 time machine], external DVD recorder, livescribe pen, mini midi, need a port for syncing my iphones/ipad and when I connect my DSLR).

I think Core duos are fine for the white macbook and macbook air; as they are sold as being light consumer notebooks. We need to boost up the macbook pros, so that they are pro again. Like I said, I am leaning toward an imac - but that won't help when I am not at my home desk and need to do heavy work.

Also, those saying iPads are a niche business. Well, maybe for now- but they are becoming more main stream. I do all my regular work on my iPad, and save my macbook for more heavier stuff.

Someday, if / when I am working for a company that is entirely mac based; and Microsoft finally gives us OneNote on the mac - then I will not need a virtual machine. But until then - a lot of the utilites used by companies are windows based.. :(

Why are you using a MacBook Pro to do the work of an iMac? Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids!

What's your source for that? I was under the impression the 13" MBP is their best selling laptop? (no source)

It was around Holiday season 2009. It may still be. Though, it's not like another Mac (i.e. white MacBook, 13" MacBook Air, or a 13" MacBook Pro rebranded as simply "MacBook) couldn't just as easily usurp that title.
 
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