Apple Doubling Production of Certain 'Hot-Selling' Notebook Models?

[Hwaet]

im not sure YOU know what niche means. know what youre talking about before you attempt to impress everyone

He does. A niche market refers to a relatively minor subset of the main market. Calling the iPad a niche product and then going on to refer to its mass market appeal and huge sales is oxymoronic. By the same token, perhaps you ought to research whether you are actually right before you counter-post.

Incidentally, grammar is quite fun. You ought to try it sometime.

 

[Laird Knox]

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Sweet. I can't wait to buy my first Macbook Pro. I'm converting all products to Apple. I started with the iPhone on Monday.

They just keep going. I have an OLD 13" pro (867Mhz G4) that has been across the country and back on a motorcycle. Still runs Photoshop well enough to be useful. (Well PS 7 anyway.) It even has a one inch wide, quarter inch deep dent on the hinge side. The battery still works too.

 

[fel10]

I just can't wait for the new MBP, so I can upgrade my old mid 2009 MBP to a new and shiny 2011 MBP

 

[torbjoern]

+1

sick of the ipad crap. at its best its still a niche product..high sales only reflect its mass marketing. sort of like the nintendo wii.
at the end of the day, people will turn away and still go back to do real work on their MBPs.
like how most families now have a wii...but never use it

If all useless luxury products were "niche products", i.e. a subset of such, I could agree with you about the iPad being a niche product. In my definition, it's pretty far from being one, as there's barely anything more mainstream out there than iToys. That's why Apple put that ****ing touch-screen on the iPod nano - and for the very same reason, they're ready to axe the iPod classic any time. The masses don't care about tactile controls, they want fancy touch-screens instead.

Xserve was a niche product, and the Mac Pro still is. What happened with the former? And what do you think will happen with the latter?

 

[seveej]

Ego is a structure that is erected by a neurotic individual who is a member of a neurotic culture... And culture... is the collectivized consensus about what sort of neurotic behaviors are acceptable.

OT: But I'm not so sure Freud would agree.

 

[sammich]

He does. A niche market refers to a relatively minor subset of the main market. Calling the iPad a niche product and then going on to refer to its mass market appeal and huge sales is oxymoronic. By the same token, perhaps you ought to research whether you are actually right before you counter-post.

Incidentally, grammar is quite fun. You ought to try it sometime.

From the fountain of all knowledge, wikipedia:

A niche market is the subset of the market on which a specific product is focusing; therefore the market niche defines the specific product features aimed at satisfying specific market needs, as well as the price range, production quality and the demographics that is intended to impact.
Every single product that is on sale can be defined by its niche market.​

So in other words, replace 'niche' with 'target market'. Microsoft Windows has it's own niche. Toyota has it's niches.

 

[shanky123]

wow.. lot of new things are being updated.....

 

[illegalprelude]

+1

sick of the ipad crap. at its best its still a niche product..high sales only reflect its mass marketing. sort of like the nintendo wii.
at the end of the day, people will turn away and still go back to do real work on their MBPs.
like how most families now have a wii...but never use it

Wow. It's amazing you even know how to log into this forum. Hate to break it to you man but computers are a dying breed and it's a fact. I'm not saying the Final Cut or web designer user is going to get the iPad 4 in 2 years but the fact is, the majority of people, with advances in tablets, will be 100% fine. Apple just saw this before everybody else.

But you are right, lets listen to you.

 

[Hwaet]

From the fountain of all knowledge, wikipedia:

A niche market is the subset of the market on which a specific product is focusing; therefore the market niche defines the specific product features aimed at satisfying specific market needs, as well as the price range, production quality and the demographics that is intended to impact.
Every single product that is on sale can be defined by its niche market.​

So in other words, replace 'niche' with 'target market'. Microsoft Windows has it's own niche. Toyota has it's niches.

You're actually using Wikipedia as a reference? A tertiary source compiled by biased undergraduates is hardly the fount of all knowledge.

Here's the relevant dictionary def of 'niche' from Collins:
4. (modifier) relating to or aimed at a small specialized group or market
And that is by far the prevalent definition.

 

[sammich]

You're actually using Wikipedia as a reference? A tertiary source compiled by biased undergraduates is hardly the fount of all knowledge.

Here's the relevant dictionary def of 'niche' from Collins:
4. (modifier) relating to or aimed at a small specialized group or market
And that is by far the prevalent definition.

And now it's apparent that there are multiple meanings. I originally understood 'niche' as being a small segment like someone who has a business cleaning mailboxes (yours, Collins and Oxfords meaning of it).

a distinct segment of a market.

a specialized market

I'm merely trying to broaden my understanding, seeing as there are conflicting meanings, I neither right or wrong.

 

[CrackedButter]

And now it's apparent that there are multiple meanings. I originally understood 'niche' as being a small segment like someone who has a business cleaning mailboxes (yours, Collins and Oxfords meaning of it).

I'm merely trying to broaden my understanding, seeing as there are conflicting meanings, I neither right or wrong.

Did all you guys know that the term "niche" was originally a term used by the Nazi?

Yes I invoked Godwins law, now please quiet down with your definitions of the word niche. Page 2 and people are already off topic.

Then again, people are off topic probably because there is nothing really of substance to discuss here.

 

[Ronin.X]

Some Etymology ?

Did all you guys know that the term "niche" was originally a term used by the Nazi?

Sorry for continuing offtopic.
"Niche" is as old, as the german word "Nische" nothing to do with the Nazis.


Some etymology ?
"1610s, "shallow recess in a wall," from Fr. niche "recess (for a dog), kennel," 14c., perhaps from It. nicchia "niche, nook," from nicchio "seashell," probably from L. mitulus "mussel," but the change of -m- to -n- is not explained. Another suggestion is that the word is from an O.Fr. noun derived from nichier "to nestle, nest, build a nest," via Gallo-Romance *nidicare from L. nidus "nest;" but that has difficulties, too. Figurative sense is first recorded 1725. Biological use dates from 1927."


Back to Topic:

Here in Germany all big Resellers are running low for the MBP´s 13".
The 15" and 17" are sold out, no in stock again date given.

Sorry for my rudimentary English.

Keep on Waiting and discussing.

By the way, I´d like to have:

SSD- 256GB as standard.
750GB harddrive 7200RPM as a secondary device (option)

Quadcore I5 SB

GPU 1GB minimum

according to me no need for a DVD-Drive, maybe a good discount on an external drive should be given as an option.

Rugged unibody - Liquid Metal would be fine.
The aluminium Dents drive me mad.


J.

 

[teenheat]

Here in Germany all big Resellers are running low for the MBP´s 13".
The 15" and 17" are sold out, no in stock again date given.

amazon.de is showing a date for the 17": February 15th! Tuesday! :x

 

[pepitko]

Good to see more "mac" rumors for once, this site has turned into "iOSrumors.com" in the past year or two.

Also here in Czech Republic, all MacBook Pros are low in inventories or sold out with 2-4 weeks delivery time.

 

[CrackedButter]

Sorry for continuing offtopic.
"Niche" is as old, as the german word "Nische" nothing to do with the Nazis.

Whoosh!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

 

[Ronin.X]

Whoosh!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

You started it - tried to stop it.

Godwins Law/ (Godwins Gesetz) is of course especially very common in german forums.


Back to topic:

I wonder if Apple is eager to use the faulty Intel chipset in the new MBP´s.
Even if they don´t need to use the faulty Sata Controller, its still a little bit fishy for Intel/Apple and the customers.

Would´t like it, even if it is not rational.

Anyway I think Intel would prevent Apple from assembling them.

So mid March for the MBPs with the "redesigned" chipset should be realistic.


J.

 

[sagnier]

Did all you guys know that the term "niche" was originally a term used by the Nazi?

Yes I invoked Godwins law, now please quiet down with your definitions of the word niche. Page 2 and people are already off topic.

Then again, people are off topic probably because there is nothing really of substance to discuss here.

it was ever thus...

 

[gnasher729]

I would hold back on Sandy Bridge

Ivy will be a lil' better and , who wants the defect worries.

(and yes I understand only 2 SATA ports are affected)

The design defect in the Sandy Bridge support chips is well understood. These chips were supposed to have two 6Gbit SATA ports, plus four 3 Gbit SATA ports. The design defect is a single transistor in the controller for the 3 Gbit ports. So what we have now is two perfectly fine 6Gbit ports. Since MacBooks have no way to use more than two SATA ports anyway (there is no physical space for three devices), there is no problem using these chips for a MacBook. On the other hand, they would be completely unusable for a Mac Pro.

Yeah i guess Apple can buy up all the defective chips and just use the 6Gbps SATA ports since a laptop uses at most two SATA ports. Could pass on the savings (or not)

Intel has started selling these chipsets now as perfectly fine chipsets with two SATA ports. There are no savings. Whoever buys them has to sign a paper that they are not going to use the four defective ports, so Intel will not replace any of the chips they are selling now if something goes wrong. (They will have to replace chips sold earlier though).

Did all you guys know that the term "niche" was originally a term used by the Nazi?

The dictionary on my Mac says: "ORIGIN early 17th cent.: from French, literally ‘recess,’ from nicher ‘make a nest,’ based on Latin nidus ‘nest.’". So unless you have evidence of Nazis in early 17th century France, what you are saying is utter nonsense.

 

[iamnotanumber]

The dictionary on my Mac says: "ORIGIN early 17th cent.: from French, literally ‘recess,’ from nicher ‘make a nest,’ based on Latin nidus ‘nest.’". So unless you have evidence of Nazis in early 17th century France, what you are saying is utter nonsense.

Eurgh read the entry above about Godwins Law and then can we stop this silly discussion on niche?

 

[Popeye206]

Year of the Mac....

I really hope that in addition to new iPhones and iPads (which I love too) that this is the year of the Mac too.

I'd love to see Apple really do something to reset the bar for Laptops and OS's with Lion. Time for more than a minor refresh.

 

[Mattsasa]

double production?!

maybe because they are going to drop the white macbook?

makes sense

 

[johnnymg]

The design defect in the Sandy Bridge support chips is well understood. These chips were supposed to have two 6Gbit SATA ports, plus four 3 Gbit SATA ports. The design defect is a single transistor in the controller for the 3 Gbit ports. So what we have now is two perfectly fine 6Gbit ports. Since MacBooks have no way to use more than two SATA ports anyway (there is no physical space for three devices), there is no problem using these chips for a MacBook. On the other hand, they would be completely unusable for a Mac Pro.



Intel has started selling these chipsets now as perfectly fine chipsets with two SATA ports. There are no savings. Whoever buys them has to sign a paper that they are not going to use the four defective ports, so Intel will not replace any of the chips they are selling now if something goes wrong. (They will have to replace chips sold earlier though).



The dictionary on my Mac says: "ORIGIN early 17th cent.: from French, literally ‘recess,’ from nicher ‘make a nest,’ based on Latin nidus ‘nest.’". So unless you have evidence of Nazis in early 17th century France, what you are saying is utter nonsense.

That was a most excellent post!

 

[sammich]

The design defect in the Sandy Bridge support chips is well understood. These chips were supposed to have two 6Gbit SATA ports, plus four 3 Gbit SATA ports. The design defect is a single transistor in the controller for the 3 Gbit ports. So what we have now is two perfectly fine 6Gbit ports. Since MacBooks have no way to use more than two SATA ports anyway (there is no physical space for three devices), there is no problem using these chips for a MacBook. On the other hand, they would be completely unusable for a Mac Pro.

Or an iMac with the SSD+HDD option, or my dream MBP with a blade SSD or at least an option ODD and thus extra drive space.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

+1

sick of the ipad crap. at its best its still a niche product..high sales only reflect its mass marketing. sort of like the nintendo wii.
at the end of the day, people will turn away and still go back to do real work on their MBPs.
like how most families now have a wii...but never use it

You could not be more wrong. The Wii was a gimmick from the start. It was different & fairly inexpensive so it caught on. The problem is the content did not follow so people go bored. Also you really need a large open space which most people don't have.

iOS OTOH is the next Mac OS. At some point in the next decade (and I don't think Apple has made this any huge secret) iPads and MB/MBPs are going to do a mashup. The iPad is effectively the prototype for the laptop of tomorrow.

Content for iOS expands daily, a lot of it worthwhile, unlike that for the Wii. And, unlike the avg $40 for a Wii game, iOS apps are significantly less expensive. In fact, that alone is driving people away from giving their kids Nintendo DSes and toward low end iPod touches. But most importantly the Wii is just a game machine. The iOS devices are whatever you want them to be. And frankly on short trips I leave my MBP and take my iPad. And I love that the iPad is powerful enough to be able to do that.

 

[Drago89]

I really hope that in addition to new iPhones and iPads (which I love too) that this is the year of the Mac too.

I'd love to see Apple really do something to reset the bar for Laptops and OS's with Lion. Time for more than a minor refresh.

I don't rly understand all the whine about how apple forgot their macs.They'r updated as always.Last year we got core i's in the imacs and some macbook pro's , new gpus , new mac pros. What else do you people think apple will put in this refresh ? Sandy Bridge. That's it. But it won't make the new macs "fly"

as about the core 2 duo drama - core i3 is not that better cpu and compared with the intel crap gpu it's actually worst. If intel and nvidia manage to work together, that would be nice.Otherwise apple would have to think of something