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ok 2 things. 1 before the agreement... Apps still sucked. So I still doubt we are going to see any really useful applications besides the games. 2nd... Apple didn't listen to us... Or you... Or any customers at all. They are scared of the 1 big threat that comes along with the g1. Compare to the iPhone we all saw and read g1 isn't that exciting. Best part out of the gates is 3.2 megapixel camera, mms, and copy/paste. The one thing everyone has their eye out for on the g1 is a developers platform with little to no rules. No restrictions. Developers can mimic and completly replace basic functions the g1 comes with such as mms, the phone app, gpas, and so on. Apple is creating the illusion that it will lighten up but even before this agreement iPhone apps were still fairly useless. Let's face of the iPhone is good for how it looks/feels and the news/games. Other than that. G1 seems a little more exciting. That's all I am just saying. Don't be fooled.

I can't disagree with you... but that's only because I have no idea what you're actually saying.
 
this is good news....

While I do not have an iphone, my wife has been asking questions and hinting at the fact she may get me an ipod touch for Christmas (to replace my 2004 version Ipod antique).

I would love to be able to write software for it, and pick the brains of those who already have (since I would just be starting out on this platform).....

We have some wonderful talent that was just waiting to dive into the arena. Just think what this could open up for mobile computing. the Best smartphone, running the best mobile apps, on the best OS - now becomes the best little PDA.
 
nice, but whats the status of the macbooks, it looks there is no new macbooks out before jan 09, they should have sent invitations out for the event on 14th oct.

But it looks they have not said anything about it......:confused:

A millions miles off topic but Apple usually sends out invites around 7 days prior to an event.
 
Ah, about freaking time...

Finally! This is one important step forward... now if only we can run stuff in the background... then jailbreaking will be soo much less desirable.
 
nice, but whats the status of the macbooks, it looks there is no new macbooks out before jan 09, they should have sent invitations out for the event on 14th oct.

You mean you expect Apple to make a big on-stage press announcement just for a new notebook computer? You must be nuts. Apple reserves those big media events for when they come up with a new iPod color. When they update a computer Apple silently updates the web page, no press announcement.
 
Awesome! Now maybe I can discuss crap when I have issues programming. :)

w00t!
 
Please note that unreleased software and features will remain under NDA until they are released.


i am confused about this statement

It means ---- Developers with access to unreleased apple software or hardware, are not allowed to talk about it until the product is released. Those are still covered under the NDA.

The software you write has not been covered by the NDA ever!!!!!!!!!!! Only the API calls to the iPhone SDK were covered (which is no longer the case).

You hold the rights to the source of software you write, just like you hold the rights to the pictures you take with a camera regardless of the camera brand.

Apple can keep you from talking about negotiations in between them and you, for example: the reason why they rejected your program. But they can no longer keep you from talking about the code, publishing the source code on the internet and discussing how and why your code works the way it works. It is your code!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned, but doesn't this mean iPhone programming books can now be released? Haven't a few writers been waiting for this with books already written? I'm way excited now!
 
ok 2 things. 1 before the agreement... Apps still sucked. So I still doubt we are going to see any really useful applications besides the games. 2nd... Apple didn't listen to us... Or you... Or any customers at all. They are scared of the 1 big threat that comes along with the g1. Compare to the iPhone we all saw and read g1 isn't that exciting. Best part out of the gates is 3.2 megapixel camera, mms, and copy/paste. The one thing everyone has their eye out for on the g1 is a developers platform with little to no rules. No restrictions. Developers can mimic and completly replace basic functions the g1 comes with such as mms, the phone app, gpas, and so on. Apple is creating the illusion that it will lighten up but even before this agreement iPhone apps were still fairly useless. Let's face of the iPhone is good for how it looks/feels and the news/games. Other than that. G1 seems a little more exciting. That's all I am just saying. Don't be fooled.

Wow, the iPhone's first major competitor. It's only been, what, 16 months? Do you really think that apps for the G1 will be any less useless, especially since they don't have as efficient of an application delivery system?

Couple that with the fact that the apps are going to have free-reign of the OS (including the ability to run in the background) and it will be just like Windows Mobile.

Throw in the G1's slide-out keyboard, and that's a big No Thanks for me.
 
So...

Has the iPhone SDK been "released"?

Or just distributed to development partners but not actually released?

iPhone SDK was released on the 12th July.

You still have to apply to be a developer, which is free until you want to test and distribute applications on devices & submit to the App Store (pending review). The non-free part costs $99 and can take 1-3 weeks to process.
 
This might have been mentioned already, but I'm excited for this because this means open source developers can now develop for the iPhone!

(hint: Adium)
 
I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned, but doesn't this mean iPhone programming books can now be released? Haven't a few writers been waiting for this with books already written? I'm way excited now!

Yes, when the revised agreements have been issued & signed (in 1 week apparently).
 
This might have been mentioned already, but I'm excited for this because this means open source developers can now develop for the iPhone!

(hint: Adium)

Yes, code sharing should now be possible.

Incidentally, it was previously possible to code share by forming a private group (a few enterprising devs did this by 'hiring' each other) - there's not much anyone can do to discredit that without effort and (hard to collate) proof.
 
What a complete suprise! I guess its just coincidence that lots of authors have books about the iPhone SDK penciled in for an October release date.
 
Hopefully Arn will sort out a section for reviews of books, or a page 1 article on the upcoming titles on developing for iPhone.
 
Can someone who really understood this please explain how this is a big deal?

It's just non "disclosure" agreement. So now I think developers will be able to disclose 2.2 features before 2.2 is officially released to all.

Am I understanding correctly? How else this can benefit?
 
Can someone who really understood this please explain how this impacts all app development?

I am not sure why it's a big deal. It's just non "disclosure" agreement.

Developers can't even discuss how to write a small snip of code with anyone because of the NDA.
 
That seems like a rather bluntly honest letter for Apple to send out. It sounds to me like Jobs wrote most/all of it; it's his style and tone.

From when he first showed off the iPhone (and later the Touch), Jobs has always given the impression that he considers the iPhone/Pod a new computing platform, as important to the company as when the Mac came out. You kind of get that impression using one; it's certainly a powerful, stream-lined and thought out system of its own. It was a big part of why he dropped the "Computer" from Apple's name. Whether or not everyone's fully satisfied yet, it's interesting to hear him really treat it that way, and how the early Microsoft days are clearly still so fresh in his mind. And that this is like a second, similar chance to see what we wanted the Mac to do.

*totally drinking the kool-aid today, but doesn't care*
 
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