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nichos said:
Yeah, I was thinking about getting that one myself near the end of summer - guess not. :(

Unless you're a big fan of having the option to upgrade your video card or hard drive space (or maybe need more than 2GB of RAM for some reason?) I recommend you seriously consider an iMac. I'm sure the recent revision to the iMac contributed to the discontinuation of the SP 1.8GHz PowerMac. You can get a 1.8GHz iMac (albeit with a slightly slower Frontside Bus) for $200 less than the SP 1.8GHz PowerMac was (and you don't need to spend extra $$$ for a monitor). Something to consider at any rate.
 
Many of these machines are defective

tsizkeik said:
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10797

theres an article here stating that the 1.8 powermac had problems with quicktime, safari, iPhoto etc. when showing video for more than 2 hours.
specifically the mac froze, and apple had no intentions of fixing this.
there are links to apple discussions concerning this...


maybe the mods can update this on the main macrumors screen. i think its quite interesting !!!

It's true that there are several issues with this machine, mostly relating to sleep issues and energy saving features. The solution most people find is to run the machines without any energy saving features turned on and to run the processor at highest performance. However, this does not eliminate the problems completely and is not a proper fix in itself anyway.

The machine also happens to suffer from the QuickTime fullscreen bug under Tiger.

There have been many discussions about these problems on Apple's own discussion boards but it's looking increasingly like Apple are not going to fix these machines. Here are two discussions about this problem:

link

link

It is interesting that the machine seems to have only been dropped in the US, perhaps where people are more likely to sue.

Cheers

Mr. Fred
 
iGary said:
Now the dual 2.0 needs to come down $200.00.

The single 1.8 might be replaced by a single 2.0.

At least. I'm a big Apple fan, but if you consider what they took out of the previous Dual 2.0, it didn't really come down in price. They took out, in my opinion, more than $500 worth of specs. Making it all regular PCI immediately took it out of the real professional category. If you're going to get a decent capture card, you have to have PCI-X.
 
fluidinclusion said:
It's also got a slow, cool old G4 in it. My main argument is three-fold:

1. I should not have to hack the OS to get basic functionality that EVERY other company in the world (that I'm aware of) gives you. This isn't the only example of Apple crippling their hardware or software.

On some Dell inspiron laptops (upto 2003 for sure) there was no support for screen spanning. The models effected by this were the "low end" inspiron laptops. A more recent example is my D505 for work that was limited to XGA from the factory. It has the exact same chip-set as my coworkers D505 with native SXGA support. There is a multi part hack that he was able to do on my laptop, to get my SXGA to function. In this case my D505 was the "low end" no frills model and his wasn't.

Since the iBook is the "low end" Apple laptop, it isn't that unique of a concept for apple to "cripple" the iBook to make features on it's up model powerbook look better.

fluidinclusion said:
2. I don't install software that I don't trust. That is especially true for hacks like that. I'm not a programmer, and I'm not going to trust the "it's worked fine on my iBook" word of message board posters (no offense intended).

That is probably smart and is your decision. I think everyone should respect that and leave it alone.

fluidinclusion said:
3. Until I am convinced IN WRITING from Apple (which I won't get) that hacking the OS in this way will not void my warranty, I won't use it. Who says OS 10.4.3 won't prevent you from using the hack? Then I can't use the second monitor I'd have purchased and would be stuck with a more limited machine.

You have already made your argument on this with point #2.

on your nested point
In most cases involving "hacks" like this, a patch is available quite quickly after a major upgrade. I would imagine the combined time you spent posting and arguing on this thread, would net you an upgraded patch or fix needed for this "hack" if Apple were to implement such a change.


fluidinclusion said:
I love Apple - mostly, but this is the same crap that got everyone pissed at them in the 1980's. They had a closed system hardware wise, and most people didn't like that. Now it's all about the software, and they are purposely, unneccessarily crippling the software to force you to buy a $2000 machine. THAT'S NOT RIGHT, and potential switchers will be dissuaded from moving to the Mac platform because of sleazy tactics like this.

Crippling the low models to promote the higher units is something MANY companies in the world do. I can think of many examples from personal electronics, Ham radio equipment, Automobiles, and even Dirt Bikes! I do agree that sometimes the way apple cripples hardware is strange (like the case of the original LC), but you should note that Dell (my example above), HP, and Sony also do this from time to time. Making this issue not unique to apple.

Conclusion on my thoughts
It appears to me that the only point you made, was that you are not comfortable installing 3rd party software on your computer. That is fine and I respect that completely. However, calling out apple because they cripple hardware is foolish, unless you include the many other manufacturers that make the same kinds of business decisions.
 
pianodude123 said:
:mad:

IM mad because i just bought a dual 2.7 and the pricce will probably drop before i even recieve the MACHINE!!! DANG IM MAD! URGRGRGRGRG When you spend 3000 on a machine and then it drops $500 wouldnt you be mad too? DARN!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad :mad:
Well, yeah, IF the price dropped within days after my purchase. Yet, I also know that's how things are when it comes to computer pricing. You are taking your chances when you buy beyond half-way through a product life cycle.

However, I do think you are jumping the gun. No need to get mad about the thought of something that hasn't actually happened! :rolleyes: What's with that? ;)

Save your stress for IF and when the prices do drop. Hopefully that will be very soon. :D
 
Mr. Fred said:
It is interesting that the machine seems to have only been dropped in the US, perhaps where people are more likely to sue.

Cheers

Mr. Fred
The USA store simply sold out of them first, prior to any other stores.
 
New iMacG5 - now or later?

We're about to (finally) put our poor old iMacG4 800mHz to rest in lieu of a new machine with more speed, bigger screen, you know the story...

We'd love to splash out on a dual 2.7 Powermac but with a business in its first year and given the value for performance currently offered we're looking at the 20" iMacG5(mainly for screen size - using inDesign, P'Shop etc).

We are however wary about buying now - not because of the Intel switch but mainly for fear of putting down the cash to have a 23" or 2.5/2.7Ghz version appear shortly after.

This happened with both our existing iMac 15" when the 17" was released about a month after we bought it and then my 17" PB - which gained a faster processor and dropped in price by approx. A$1000 about 3 months after I bought it.

Added to that, Steve's WWDC speech suggested they had new products still to come with the existing PPC line. Also, given the likely drop in sales volumes and gradual clearing of G5's prior to MacIntel - could bring on some discounting towards the end of the year...

We can afford to wait a while but would prefer to upgrade within the next few months.

So, do we buy or wait? Whats everyone's predictions/opinions?
 
of course apple dropped the single G5 tower. the imac G5 is cheaper and has a built in display. the new imacs are a tad faster than the single 1.8 is a benchmark I saw on macworld.com
 
i thought the single 1.8 was there for expandibility over hte imac? i guess people were just choosing the imac.
 
damiebuckley said:
We're about to (finally) put our poor old iMacG4 800mHz to rest in lieu of a new machine with more speed, bigger screen, you know the story...

We'd love to splash out on a dual 2.7 Powermac but with a business in its first year and given the value for performance currently offered we're looking at the 20" iMacG5(mainly for screen size - using inDesign, P'Shop etc).

We are however wary about buying now - not because of the Intel switch but mainly for fear of putting down the cash to have a 23" or 2.5/2.7Ghz version appear shortly after.

This happened with both our existing iMac 15" when the 17" was released about a month after we bought it and then my 17" PB - which gained a faster processor and dropped in price by approx. A$1000 about 3 months after I bought it.

Added to that, Steve's WWDC speech suggested they had new products still to come with the existing PPC line. Also, given the likely drop in sales volumes and gradual clearing of G5's prior to MacIntel - could bring on some discounting towards the end of the year...

We can afford to wait a while but would prefer to upgrade within the next few months.

So, do we buy or wait? Whats everyone's predictions/opinions?

I'd buy now. The iMac is the product with the best price/performance ratio right now and will very probably not be updated/speedbumped anytime soon. And a 23" iMac is just a pipe dream IMO. Albeit a nice one...
 
Apple drops...

Mr. Fred said:
It's true that there are several issues with this machine, mostly relating to sleep issues and energy saving features. The solution most people find is to run the machines without any energy saving features turned on and to run the processor at highest performance. However, this does not eliminate the problems completely and is not a proper fix in itself anyway.

The machine also happens to suffer from the QuickTime fullscreen bug under Tiger.

There have been many discussions about these problems on Apple's own discussion boards but it's looking increasingly like Apple are not going to fix these machines.

For all the talk, I don't know these machines have more problems than others. The full-screen bug is a problem with Tiger (not just with QuickTime) that did not exist with any version of Panther. Apple is doing new video drivers in every point release of Tiger so far, so there're obviously issues with them. If you don't do full-screen video, you will not see any problem at all. I could replicate the problem easily, when I wanted to, but I see no problem in my normal use. A lawsuit over a problem that 10.4.2 might fix?

10.4.1 and a bit of tweaking fixed the sleep and shutdown problems I had. I've seen plenty of these complaints from people with other Mac's, so I'm not sure it's just the !.8 SP's; external hardware causes problems a lot, by the sound of it.

I think probably they've dropped them just because they didn't sell very many.
 
At something like $1000 the single-CPU Powermac would have been on my shopping list

It would be in my cart and I'd be checking out right now if that were that case. At the moment I'm in a bind on what to get, how long to wait.

mac mini - just short on features (4200 rpm drive? No Core Image? 32 MB Video Memory?)

imac - I don't really want an integrated solution (though it is the first one that I've actually liked as far as design).

powermac - if I only had that much money to spend on a computer...

A $1000 middlemac/po-mac would be nice.
 
This is a good move

The 1.8 Ghz G5 is a dog, performance-wise. I had a dual 1.25 Ghz G4 to work on, with only 512 MB of slower memory (167 Mhz memory, basically, compared to 1 GB of DDR 333 actually running at 333 Mhz on the G5) - and it SMOKED the G5 in every possible way.

At home, I have two Athlon boxes, one's an XP at 1.93 Ghz, the other is an A64 running at 1.8 straight up - both of these machines annihilate the 1.8 Ghz G5 in responsiveness, opening applications, etc. Once you actually run something like a PS filter, the G5 isn't so bad - but on its own, without a second processor, it's a nightmare. ANd using classic with it is even worse, as the responsiveness in classic is worse than it is on my co-worker's box, that's a 350 Mhz G3 running OS 9 natively...

I was very disappointed after the "upgrade" I received. Everything feels slower and more sluggish on this G5 than any of the other machines I have regularly used in the past 2 years.
 
me too

It would be in my cart and I'd be checking out right now if that were that case. At the moment I'm in a bind on what to get, how long to wait.

mac mini - just short on features (4200 rpm drive? No Core Image? 32 MB Video Memory?)

imac - I don't really want an integrated solution (though it is the first one that I've actually liked as far as design).

powermac - if I only had that much money to spend on a computer...

A $1000 middlemac/po-mac would be nice.

I'm in exactly the same situation right now. I was hoping to earn enough money to get the 1.8 Powermac over the summer but now that they dropped that i thik im stuck with a Mac mini.

The middlemac would be the perfect solution for me...i dont quite need the powermac, i dont want the imac but the mac mini is not enough. I would love to see apple come out with some kind of half way $1000 desktop.
 
I imagine you'd still be able to find some on Ebay, even towards the end of the summer. Or post a "wanted" ad here.

(But I'd personally suggest the iMac...is there some needed feature you can't get?)
 
For me I don't like the integrated monitor for a few reasons:
- Monitor has longer lifespan.
For me I've had the same monitor for the past 4 or 5 years, but I've had 2 -3 different computers. At one time I was running 3 computers at once.

- Multiple computers with one screen.
I have a Linux machine that I like to play around with and it has some nice graphics capabilities (I have a GeForce 6800 GT in it). I don't really have room for two monitors on my desktop (if I had the money to run dual I'd also have the money for a bigger desk, ;) ).

- Upgrading
I'm a developer with an interest in games. So I'd like the opportunity to upgrade the video card. Is that possible with iMacs?

Hmm... those iMacs are tempting though...
 
redlandmover said:
any new news on the mini mac? i was hoping revb would be out soon!!

Paris Expo would be my guess, at the latest. But yes, it should be sooner rather than later. That being said, the iBooks should see an update before the Mac minis from a sheer time point of view. Apple would be wise to update both lines soon to cash in on the back-to-school crowd. :cool:
 
The Truth said:
What are you talking about? Anyway, back to reality... In Australia any current 1.8GHz G5 orders are apparently being upgraded for free to a dual 2GHz.

Doh! I ordered an iMac a couple of weeks ago instead...
 
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