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They don't. Not in total. But if the company gets the business because of the iOS then a 'referral' fee isn't out of line. If the company gets the business because someone found them outside the app, whatever.

Putting a link to go outside of IAP would be like publishers sending reps onto stores and grabbing folks that are picking up a book and telling them to order direct from the publisher. Even though the customer may have discovered the book because the store put it on display
Apple doesn't deserve a referral fee either. People already know these companies. They want to use the services offered by these companies. Sure, Apple supplied the hardware and iOS, but they got money from consumers when we bought their gadgets. As for hosting the apps, thats the easiest job in the world, and any of the big names can host themselves, if allowed.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't selling content through an outside channel within your app a violation of the app guidelines? If the courts want to play games, reject the app. Quit trying to appease the government, because they will never be satisfied.

Rejecting the app would be against the law
 
She isn't.
She is part of the Judicial branch of the government.
The DOJ is part of the Executive branch. ;)

I'm pleased to know you're qualified to judge the competency of a person who has been on the federal bench close to 20 years. :rolleyes:

20 years on the bench during a lifetime appointment. Well, at least I see your easy to satisfy. IMO, there are no noteworthy rulings in her history to date. If anything she demonstrates a disdain toward free enterprise, and saw Apple as a way to get her name in Bold Print. Her current ruling along with the preposterously proposed DOJ remedy effectively "Mandate" an Amazon Monopoly. Remedy alleged price fixing by creating a monopoly? Ok, I get it?

Oh, I forgot. She has 20 years in a Lifetime appointment. It's a no brainer.

Quite honestly, I believe given some of the comments made by Denise Cote during the trial, Apple has a strong case on appeal. I'm looking forward to it.

Oh, and thank you for the quickie on the Executive/Judicial Branches. As I stated before. Denise Cote thinks she is the DOJ. She needs to remember that she is NOT part of the Executive Branch. ;) :apple:
 
Forced... no.
But I'm sure as soon as Apple starts making Android apps, you will be able to load them on a Kindle.
But of course hell will have frozen over by then.

Remember, Amazon doesn't lock down their tablets. You can sideload all you want.

You can 'side load' apps just as easily as you can in iOS.

Root Vs Jailbreak. Same difference.
 
looks like suing everyone is gonna cost apple, big time. it's always good to just mind your own business.
 
You forget about the costs of the weeks of preparation.

I didn't forget about weeks of preparation. Truth is, the legal costs associated with this trial would have been a fraction of what was paid in fines. But, the publishers knew they were guilty, so didn't want to end up with fines plus legal costs.
 
What stops Apple from selling books at a loss is common business sense. Apple doesn't sell things that don't make money. Amazon lost $7m last quarter.

Well, one thing's for sure, Amazon's low cost eBook pricing certainly did not lead to that $7m loss because they were controlled by the agency model during last quarter. One could even argue they loss money due to not being able to sell eBooks at a loss. Less people going to amazon.com to buy cheap books = less website traffic.

But, I'll humor you anyways. Amazon sells books at a loss and as a result, they are losing money. So, if they keep this up, they'll go out of business like any other corporation in a capitalistic society. No more "monopoly". Why do you have a problem with this? Seems like they're damned if they do, damned if they don't.
 
Well, one thing's for sure, Amazon's low cost eBook pricing certainly did not lead to that $7m loss because they were controlled by the agency model during last quarter. One could even argue they loss money due to not being able to sell eBooks at a loss. Less people going to amazon.com to buy cheap books = less website traffic.

Amazon's agency contracts for eBooks ended with the approvals of the publishers settlements. Mostly back in December. No agency model 2Q 2013.
 
You can 'side load' apps just as easily as you can in iOS.

Root Vs Jailbreak. Same difference.
Sideloading does not require root. It's a check box to enable it. ;)
No hacks and no worrying about software updates breaking your ability to install whatever you want.

Sideloading on iOS is a major PITA and don't even think about applying any OS updates. How long did it take for the iPhone 5 to get a proper untethered jailbreak? Oh yeah 5 months. :rolleyes:
 
Sideloading does not require root. It's a check box to enable it. ;)
No hacks and no worrying about software updates breaking your ability to install whatever you want.

Sideloading on iOS is a major PITA and don't even think about applying any OS updates. How long did it take for the iPhone 5 to get a proper untethered jailbreak? Oh yeah 5 months. :rolleyes:

Amazon doesn't allow side loading without a hack. No check box.
 
Ford wiped out a lot of buggy makers and countless local buggy whip makers. Time moved on. The handwriting is clearly on the wall for books made from dead trees. Time is moving on again.

Clearly printed books will be around for a long time to come in some formats. There are people still riding horses too.




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Just to clarify, I don't have any issue with technology moving forward. The Ford Motor company had a superior product, process and business model. Being better at business isn't grounds for anti-trust. But if Ford and Chevy had gotten together in order to edge out buggy whip makers that's illegal.
 
I can't believe this. So Apple set up a system so Amazon can make money and they take no share in it? Seems a little odd.

If they wouldn't collude to price fix nobody would be forcing them to do so. This solution is designed to let the market reach the point it would have without Apple's illegal activity. That's why it's only temporary measure.

Apple lost the case, so of course they will be punished somehow. Expecting them to be treated like any company who didn't loose the case isn't really rational.
 
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Outside of books, mostly textbooks, created with iBooks Author you won't find it.

But you will find books that are only on Amazon, because Amazon got the publishers to agree to never sell on another platform. The whole Hunger Games trilogy comes to mind. And according to rumor, also the Harry Potter ebooks. Supposedly Amazon agreed to putting them up in Kindle format so long as no other retailer could have them. It could only be Amazon and her own site.

Actually I bought the Harry Potter books from Pottermore and it's offered on both the Kindle and iBooks. I put them on my grandson's iPad so he could read them.

I went back and read the whole 160 page document. You should too. It's good reading and very informative. It lays out the entire timeline of events and discusses each and every point (as only good legal finding should). It won't take you more than 30 mins. Perhaps it will do a better job of explaining why the judge made her decision. And, if you are really interested in the actual law it most certainly cites each and every case law applicable. Better than relying on articles and your own ideas.
 
Amazon doesn't allow side loading without a hack. No check box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAXkinZs4Mk

What is that setting that is shown on minute 1:04 then?

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But you will find books that are only on Amazon, because Amazon got the publishers to agree to never sell on another platform. The whole Hunger Games trilogy comes to mind.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/hunger-games-suzanne-collins/1100171585?ean=9780545229937
http://www.kobobooks.com/ebook/The-...OG0Jw/page1.html?s=wZuXFQgKfEOUMHSMm9rlpQ&r=2

Try again
 
I didn't forget about weeks of preparation. Truth is, the legal costs associated with this trial would have been a fraction of what was paid in fines. But, the publishers knew they were guilty, so didn't want to end up with fines plus legal costs.

....and to get their names out of the press as soon as possible.
 
What law is that?
I guess he meant that if the court agrees with the DoJ's requests, Apple would not be able to reject the app based on the "no links" clause in its guidelines because these links would be specifically allowed by the sentence.

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Actually I bought the Harry Potter books from Pottermore and it's offered on both the Kindle and iBooks. I put them on my grandson's iPad so he could read them.
Non necessarily disagreeing in general, but in the specific case you have to take into account the tremendous strenght of the Harry Potter brand. Ms Rowling was able to leverage it an pull off his Pottermore plan with the specific goal of avoiding any type of control, but other authors with less contractual strenght would most likely have been less lucky.
 
I thought the most interesting thing that was revealed in the trial was that Apple considered offering Amazon a you stay out of video and we stay out of books deal.
I am sure that would have been a great deal for consumers....
 
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