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Apple Ending Development on Aperture as Upcoming Photos App for OS X Will Replace iPhoto

Disappointed in Apple!

I've been using Aperture for about 12 months now. Have moved libraries of almost 90,000 photos to the program. Love it. Much faster work flow than Photoshop. Still use PS for adding text, removing/moving items, collage work etc. the database functions and workflow are great!

Hope the outcry among photographers will get Apple to change their mind and move to Aperture 4!
 
ohbrilliance said:
Can you provide a link to where you can buy Lightroom 5 outright? I can't seem to find it. The main drive is to the creative cloud version, but I've managed to add an Upgrade to my cart, but not an outright licence.

(I already own LR5, but am just interested to see whether you can still actually buy it outright if you're not upgrading from an earlier version).
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You can buy it on Amazon here for $135.
 
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Apple at least give us an explanation. Now I have to move all my libraries since 2008 to lightroom.

I was close to order Final Cut. Thanksfully I didn't. I lose credibility on you that eventually do the same thing to Final Cut.
So thanks. Now I have to learn another two softwares.
 
Pixmanken said:
Hope the outcry among photographers will get Apple to change their mind and move to Aperture 4!
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There won't be a huge outcry because Apple dragged it's collective feet for so long that most photogs moved on in the face of similar programs offering so many better features.

If fact, Apple probably looked at Aperture's dwindling marketshare and decided the work and money required to push out a new version wouldn't result in a financial reward.

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mattsantiago said:
Apple at least give us an explanation.
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Apple doesn't own anyone an explanation here. It hasn't pushed out a major update in a while even as LR and similar programs were leapfrogging by Empire State Building bounds. Users have to make educated decisions on what programs they use and there was no indication in recent years from Apple that it was committed to Aperture, unlike when FCP and the Mac Pro were aging.

Yes, I'm an Aperture user too; since 2.0. I'll have to convert myself and it will be a PITA, but it was my choice to stick with Aperture even when I knew it was virtually abandonware. Funny thing is I often ranted here that Apple had silently dropped Aperture and the Apple lemmings here shouted me down for it. Now its real and they are incredulous Apple would do this to THEM as if Apple cared about them other than their wallets.

The real people that have the potential to get screwed over are iPhoto users. But we'll have to see if the new program is iCloud dependent or not.
 
If the Photos app were going to be an Aperture replacement Apple wouldn't be working with Adobe to ease the transition of Aperture users to LightRoom.

One of the prime reasons I bought Aperture was that it was only $79 and gave me the ability to install on 5 Macs.
 
Jmhoey said:
Seriously? Here's the thing. I see people here writing how awesome it would be to do this or that in the field. These are people who are most certainly not full-time professional photographers. Have any of you ever tried to manage and edit a library of 100,000 images in the freaking cloud? That solution was, is, and only ever will be an option for laymen.
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I'm not even a professional, per se, and my library is well over the 50,000 image mark, mostly Camera RAW. I gave up on iPhoto years ago for three reasons:

1. It couldn't handle such a big library without crawling.
2. It wasted tons of disk space on copies of every edited photo.
3. When printing (with calibrated profiles for my monitor and printer), colors were off by a mile.

I went to Lightroom, but was hoping to be able to move to Aperture as an alternative if Adobe decided to make LR another idiotic rent-only app. Guess I'm going to have to look for another alternative. Maybe something Open Source....
 
what is Apples real position?

There has been nothing on Apples site, no proper press release just 'a spokesperson has said' which makes me wonder how much is real how much isn't

By sort of announcing it but not covering it on their site Apple have got the worst of all worlds, speculation run riot and complete lack of trust.

Photo's may be great it may do everything Aperture does and more it may be a new dawn... it may....

The problem is it's a year off, and between now and then I need to make business choices, as a pro photographer to a wait and hope or move to something else.

I have spent the day looking at:
Aftershot pro - childish program and not intuitive
Capture One - unintuitive and clunky but has the right tools
Lightroom - sort of Aperture with one hand tied behind your back -very poor work flow
DxO - amazing tools, very slow workflow and organisation

So far even without an update as long as Aperture runs on my Mac I'll stick with it, but as soon as I find something that has a good set of tools is intuitive and fast to use and has an organisational structure and file management in the same league as Aperture then I'll move.

4th highest grossing App in the App store ditched without proper explanation or road map, that is utter incompetence and should (but won't) see people loose their jobs.
 
shuttletpe said:
I may be missing something but I'm not aware of any ISP providing USB3, Firewire or Thunderbolt upload speeds. Thats what I keep my very inexpensive and reliable hard drives for. Security? Did I say I liked my inexpensive and reliable hard drives that nobody else has ownership of and access to but myself?
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Do you (or others on here) keep offsite backups - in the cloud or at a parents house? Or perhaps in a firesafe? If not then you don't have a safe backup.

I've been considering online backup such as BackBlaze, but if the new Photo app provides backup and almost all of Apertures features with improvements provided for by 3rd party plugins then it might not be as bad a news as I'd thought. (Albeit that the comms from Apple is S!!T)

PS hard drives are not reliable...
 
WinstonRumfoord said:
what?! Trust me, once you get used to the slight change in workflow you won't believe you made do with Aperture all these years.
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I used it before I moved to Aperture and it seems just as clunky, probably the best of the rest, but Aperture is a joy to use.

I wanted 2 features from Aperture 4, built in lens correction and plugins able to slot into raw editing without creating tiffs and thus breaking the edit flow.

Lightroom has these I know, but it's organisation is shameful.

I may have to use it, but I have a tool that works so at least I can hold on and see if Photos is worth using. Looking at the vandalism they did to iWorks though, I think it will be shocking.
 
You people crack me up.

Get a grip - it will work itself out. It is workflow - not open heart surgery.
 
Gee thanks...

Thank you Apple once again neglecting your Pro users. We are so screwed. We have years of archives in Aperture, and now i'm sure they won't be supporting it as we move OS X into a glorified iPhone app. Maybe you can get your developers to create an app I can shoot weddings with my iPhone, then I can share them with clients on the cloud for free! Boy! What a way to put food on the table. Thanks dumba$$! :mad:
 
ErikGrim said:
Unfortunately the side-effect seems to be a lack of confidence in Apple's overall pro strategy and future of other pro apps: FCPX and Logic X. They are well aware of this happening, and are trying to mend that by releasing pro updates along with the announcement of the promise of a secure future for them. But from the mood here I gather that's not quite enough.
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It isn't enough because its not just Apple apps that are suffering. Other pro apps from the likes of Adobe and Autodesk are suffering too because of Apple's overly hastily OS releases. I use some of these apps, and I get to talk to some of the developers. Mavericks screwed them doubly. Not just in ways that caused their apps to break, but also in the way Apple pressure all their customers to upgrade to Mavericks despite its flaws. And the benefits are practically zero. All Apple are adding these days are fancier ways to get directions, buy movie tickets and get 'social' popups. For that we have to get plagued with bugs in critical professional software.

And before things like Maya and Photoshop are properly fixed we'll have Yosemite, with a UI overhaul that will go badly wrong in 10 yr old 3rd party apps, and even more strong-arming by Apple, and even more useless directions and movie ticket features. It's becoming too unstable a platform for professional work, which is a shame, because otherwise it's still the best.
 
Joele25 said:
Thank you Apple once again neglecting your Pro users. We are so screwed. We have years of archives in Aperture, and now i'm sure they won't be supporting it as we move OS X into a glorified iPhone app. Maybe you can get your developers to create an app I can shoot weddings with my iPhone, then I can share them with clients on the cloud for free! Boy! What a way to put food on the table. Thanks dumba$$! :mad:
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someone told me the other day that they bought a Mac because they see professionals using them, so they must be the best thing to have.

guess what will happen when people no longer see them used by said professionals.....

I know this is nothing new.... anyone remember 'Claris CAD' which was better than Auto CAD back in the day.... well as an engineer or architect if they use a Mac or PC?
 
avidos said:
There has been nothing on Apples site, no proper press release just 'a spokesperson has said' which makes me wonder how much is real how much isn't
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It probably is. Now they have to maintain iPhone and Aperture. If they are able to create one application that is easy to use and yet offers enough advanced features to satisfy also most professional needs, then it seems like a logic step. But not wise do go out in public like this without providing enough information about the new Photo application.

avidos said:
Photo's may be great it may do everything Aperture does and more it may be a new dawn... it may....
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Exactly. Looking at the alternatives there is room for improvement, especially in usability and workflow.

avidos said:
I have spent the day looking at:
Aftershot pro - childish program and not intuitive
Capture One - unintuitive and clunky but has the right tools
Lightroom - sort of Aperture with one hand tied behind your back -very poor work flow
DxO - amazing tools, very slow workflow and organisation
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I have been doing the same except for Aftershot pro as it is from Corel. Agree with your comments (I already use DxO in those care cases when Aperture isn't good enough). Could get used to Lightroom of course if I have to. Most of the Aperture plug-ins I use also have Lightroom versions.
 
avidos said:
There has been nothing on Apples site, no proper press release just 'a spokesperson has said' which makes me wonder how much is real how much isn't

By sort of announcing it but not covering it on their site Apple have got the worst of all worlds, speculation run riot and complete lack of trust.

Photo's may be great it may do everything Aperture does and more it may be a new dawn... it may....

The problem is it's a year off, and between now and then I need to make business choices, as a pro photographer to a wait and hope or move to something else.

I have spent the day looking at:
Aftershot pro - childish program and not intuitive
Capture One - unintuitive and clunky but has the right tools
Lightroom - sort of Aperture with one hand tied behind your back -very poor work flow
DxO - amazing tools, very slow workflow and organisation

So far even without an update as long as Aperture runs on my Mac I'll stick with it, but as soon as I find something that has a good set of tools is intuitive and fast to use and has an organisational structure and file management in the same league as Aperture then I'll move.

4th highest grossing App in the App store ditched without proper explanation or road map, that is utter incompetence and should (but won't) see people loose their jobs.
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I feel some of your pain even though I'm not a pro (which is why I can't feel the rest :)

BUT, I would highly recommend polling other pros to hear/view their experiences with LR. I completely understand this decision just came down, but I think anyone is doing a disservice to themselves if they just review software within a day. I think there's more to it and especially from a business point of view where this decision will drive much of your workflow habits and possibly affect your bottom line if that workflow isn't seamless, I think it's important to take more time.

AP isn't dead just yet. I'm sure it will live on through another OS or possibly 2 updates so I believe there's still time to review and make a solid educated decision based on peer feedback.

I've heard/read some great things about LR. To me, it's a great alternative to AP and even though the work flow may seem appear differently, I think the benefit is that Adobe is a large company and they are invested in keeping LR around. It seems to have a large community following so visiting forums and gaining the same type of user knowledge to help with issues or 'how do i do this' would be beneficial.

For me, I'll keep plugging away in AP until this Photos app comes out, but I will keep an eye on LR as well. I will dload the demo for sure. I don't like the idea of a subscription so having a perpetual license would be key.

Cheers and good luck,
Keebler
 
Keebler said:
I feel some of your pain even though I'm not a pro (which is why I can't feel the rest :)

BUT, I would highly recommend polling other pros to hear/view their experiences with LR. I completely understand this decision just came down, but I think anyone is doing a disservice to themselves if they just review software within a day. I think there's more to it and especially from a business point of view where this decision will drive much of your workflow habits and possibly affect your bottom line if that workflow isn't seamless, I think it's important to take more time.

AP isn't dead just yet. I'm sure it will live on through another OS or possibly 2 updates so I believe there's still time to review and make a solid educated decision based on peer feedback.

I've heard/read some great things about LR. To me, it's a great alternative to AP and even though the work flow may seem appear differently, I think the benefit is that Adobe is a large company and they are invested in keeping LR around. It seems to have a large community following so visiting forums and gaining the same type of user knowledge to help with issues or 'how do i do this' would be beneficial.

For me, I'll keep plugging away in AP until this Photos app comes out, but I will keep an eye on LR as well. I will dload the demo for sure. I don't like the idea of a subscription so having a perpetual license would be key.

Cheers and good luck,
Keebler
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I know enough people who use Lr to know Aperture has a much quicker workflow, so maybe I forget Yosemite and freeze my OS till I find a better tool.

Apple seem to think it's the OS and the computer people need, it's all about the things it does for your life.

Any good RAW editors on Linux....lol
 
zedsdead said:
I am not thrilled with this news, but I love the combined library idea that syncs across all devices. I have been wanting something like that for years.

Apple needs one thing for me to be happy with this though:

Organization: I only went to Aperture in the first place because I was able to create folders, subfolders, move projects around and have an organized project library. That was something iPhoto didn't have for years because everything was just in the camera roll or later events, but no folder structures. It also allows you have have multiple libraries, merging libraries (although that never worked properly) and more.

For most cases of editing and projects I found iPhoto easier. It was the folder structure that moved me over.

That scares me, because Apple likely doesn't want users having that level of control in a consumer app. If they do something like FCP X and have keyword collection (albums) that's fine, but those albums need to be able to be placed into folders and subfolders. Also, having multiple or selectively syncing of libraries would be great, but I DOUBT THIS WILL HAPPEN THOUGH.
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I'm with you here. As an amateur/prosumer, Aperture's organizational features were what I cared about. I've yet to see a demo or any mention of the new photos app supporting keywords/star ratings/etc. The only metadata we've seen are the new favorite feature and captions (coming form iphoto for ios).

If the new photos app gets full metadata support, I'll be happy with the unified library assuming we get some good extensions from third parties.
 
I use Aperture every single day. In fact, other than Mail or Safari, Aperture is the most frequently used app on my iMac. I never quit Aperture, it's always loaded and minimized in my dock for instant access. Ever since I got this new iMac with 1TB of flash drive, Aperture flies! It's a real joy to use. It doesn't do everything, but it handles 95% of my needs. I do own Photoshop CS6 (as in, I paid for it ONCE and don't have keep giving Adobe money on a monthly basis) and Aperture's ability to hand off images to Photoshop (for adding titles or other editing that's not available in Aperture) works like a charm. It's a terrific one-two punch for image editing and Aperture's image cataloging is SUPERLATIVE!

I'm simply at a loss as to why Apple has decided to stop development of the app. For me, it's like Apple is cutting off my right arm. I'm not about to spend time and energy to learn a new program when I have, literally, THOUSANDS of hours invested in learning and using Aperture. It's freakin' second nature to me.

I will use Aperture for as long as I can. When Apple stops providing compatibility updates (for further versions of Mac OS) I will cease to upgrade my Mac OS (which also means I won't be buying any new Macs from that point either).

I'm really ticked off with Apple right now. But, more than that, I'm saddened by Apple's continued metamorphosis away from being the BEST choice for creative arts professionals.

:( :confused: :( :confused: :( :confused: :(

Mark
 
Least people know now and there are multiple good alternatives. Better than the limbo state we were in before.
 
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