Apple Ending Development on Aperture as Upcoming Photos App for OS X Will Replace iPhoto

[LV426]

1. Aperture has not been updated (other than compatibility updates) in 4ish years
2. Yosemite is the last OS that it will reliably run under
3. It does not have lens correction with out roundtripping to a 3rd party app and the subsequent huge tiff file.
4. It does not have camera calibration
5. It does not have a radial filter

Shall I go on... It is junk

1. Factually incorrect
2. That is NOT necessarily true.
3. Fast lens correction is not an issue for a great many users.
4. Not true. The RAW converter for a very large range of supported cameras provides calibration.
5. Gee Whizz.

I should point out that later this year it is likely to be Lightroom that is considered to be junk. The forthcoming Photos app - which will work with existing Aperture libraries - will be far more efficient and useful at processing and filtering RAW files than Lightroom will be, for example.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

As lv426 has already highlight, yes please continue to highlight why it is junk.

I must admit that it did make me giggle when you say that the lack of integrated lens correction makes it junk. I do appreciate that for some it can be very important, personally I would suggest to stop buying junk lenses

Likewise, a radial filter? Seriously. I mean really?

 

[jms969]

As lv426 has already highlight, yes please continue to highlight why it is junk.

I must admit that it did make me giggle when you say that the lack of integrated lens correction makes it junk. I do appreciate that for some it can be very important, personally I would suggest to stop buying junk lenses

Likewise, a radial filter? Seriously. I mean really?

I maintain it is junk, it has not had a major update in now nearly 5 years and once you upgrade to the next version of OS X it may or may not continue to work. There will be no more updates for new cameras... Junk Junk Junk!!!

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1. Factually incorrect
2. That is NOT necessarily true.
3. Fast lens correction is not an issue for a great many users.
4. Not true. The RAW converter for a very large range of supported cameras provides calibration.
5. Gee Whizz.

I should point out that later this year it is likely to be Lightroom that is considered to be junk. The forthcoming Photos app - which will work with existing Aperture libraries - will be far more efficient and useful at processing and filtering RAW files than Lightroom will be, for example.

1. Bunk it has not had a major update in now nearly 5 years
2. Are you willing to take that chance
3. It is important to a great many users
4. Factually Incorrect
5. Yeah it is pretty gee whizz

 

[cyb3rdud3]

It has just had an update. There has just been a major system update.

Raw support has never ever been linked to Aperture before so why would it now? It is totally independent of the application. Have you actually ever used Aperture?

But yes granted Aperture is dead, apple has announced as much themselves. But it was also announced that it will be replaced by another app called Photos.

Out of interest what lenses do you have that require such fundamental correction? I can really recommend the Holy Trinity from Nikon to avoid any of that. Or just become a MFt shooter.

 

[neversink]

I maintain it is junk, it has not had a major update in now nearly 5 years and once you upgrade to the next version of OS X it may or may not continue to work. There will be no more updates for new cameras... Junk Junk Junk!!!

Thank you jms969 for your insights. You will always be trashed by the Apple lovers who often will defend the company no matter what. You would think some of these people are married to Apple!!!! Insults come with honesty. Just take the insults in stride. Those who fail to acknowledge the truth shall live in obfuscation! ;--)

I also switched from Aperture to Lightroom which is lightyears ahead of Aperture. It's not perfect, but it is far better than Aperture, especially when it comes to image processing , editing, sharpening, distortion control, local adjustments, keystone controls, chromatic aberration controls and all the other reasons you discussed. Switching to LR was liberating. I never missed Aperture at all.

Yes, LR5 is slightly weaker when it comes to metadata, but that has improved in LR also. But the final image is what is most important in image-editing software, and that is where LR stands out miles above Aperture. Better processing engine than LR is Capture One Pro 8. The images just come out sharper in CO8 on import, but there metadata organization is behind LR, and they don't support the super tells from Nikon (yet.) The local adjustments are the best though, but their are still some bugs. I am having trouble with getting the correct metadata date in CO 8 which is very frustrating.

The thing is that CO8 and LR5 will continue to be improved. aperture has been abandoned. Maybe Apple's "Photos" will be better. I have my doubts. But even if it is stellar, I can no longer trust Apple, thinking that they will abandon it like they have other software. Apple lost a lot of pros, when at one point they seemed to have abandoned Final Cut Pro. They all went over to other software. Final Cut Pro came back, but the pros didn't. And as a working photographer, I doubt I will give Photos a serious try, as once spurned I don't look back. And, professionally speaking, I can't afford to.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Why is it that when someone disagrees and highlights some facts on here you are immediately branded as defending Apple no matter what. And what insults were issued.

Jeez, what is wrong with some people.

 

[neversink]

Why is it that when someone disagrees and highlights some facts on here you are immediately branded as defending Apple no matter what. And what insults were issued.

Jeez, what is wrong with some people.

Why not just address the issues about Aperture instead of lodging just an accusation. Where does that get anyone. I'm sorry, but you didn't address one single issue about the failure of Apple to update Aperture while Apple's competitors have continually upgraded their photography software. I see some hostility, in some of the answers, toward those who state that Aperture is outdated and / or "junk." People were not highlighting "some facts" but rather they were highlighting some myths about Aperture and about the needs of professional photographer. I am one of those pros, and I found it insulting for someone to tell me what was of value in an image editing program and what was not. And then to make up "facts" about Aperture, as to its superiority, which is totally false.

I love Apple products, but I am not blind to their fallacies and failures as some appear to be. Let me turn your comment around. Here is what I say to that:
"Why is it that when someone disagrees and highlights some facts on here that shows Apple has an inferior product or has abandoned its users, you are immediately branded as a troll who only hates, attacks and criticizes Apple no matter what."

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I've addressed the few issues listed following the not so helpful comment that it is just junk. Further more who have I called a troll?

Yet you come in here and start making things personal. Now if you prefer the output of the Adobe raw processor and editing tools fair enough, it is a subjective but decent reason to prefer something over something else. However to call something just junk because it hasn't had a full version number update doesn't mean anything to me. Regardless of who developed it or not.

Anyway you seem to be hellbent on just making things personal and have an argument opposed to actually discuss anything.

Out of genuine interest, lens correction is so often voiced as one of the reasons. Now I've only had one lens that really required it, a Signa 8-16. But any of my normal go to lenses like the trinity really don't require any of that. Do you, as you claim to be a pro, have any particular lenses where you feel like you need to correct them constantly in post production?

 

[neversink]

I believe it was you have really taken things personally. No personal attacks were made against anyone. Just a basic comment and generalization about the cult of Mac. But let's leave it at that.

As to your question, the answer is that it depends upon the individual photo whether or not I use lens correction. LR5 does this wonderfully and includes all the lenses I use. This includes light falloff and distortion and chromatic aberration. Capture One does it even better, but does not include Nikon's super telephoto lenses which I use for some of my work. Besides light falloff and distortion and chromatic abberration corrections, Capture One also will correct sharpness falloff in the corners. Not bad.

I shoot in many different types of locations, so any tools that help me and that I can depend upon, I will use. I would say the light fall off in some lenses are horrid, but that can improve with increased aperture settings. For instance, The Nikon 24 f/1.4 lens is beautiful, but wide open the vignetting is apparent. Lens correction automatically takes care of this and then I can vignette as needed whether I crop or not.

Zoom lenses offer other problems. Light fall off and edge sharpness and distortion can not only vary with the aperture setting but with different zoom settings. So, I never know when I will need, or desire, lens correction software, until I see the raw uncorrected image.

Make sense???

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Yes makes sense. Thanks for elaborating. Much more useful response than it is junk and for a pro I can understand you'll be using the best tool for the job when that needs to be done.

 

[Liquorpuki]

I hope Final Cut and Logic are not next on the chopping block.

You know they are

All you have to do is ask the question, would a tech illiterate Grandma be able to use this?

If not, bye bye

 

[jms969]

You know they are

All you have to do is ask the question, would a tech illiterate Grandma be able to use this?

If not, bye bye

Therein lies my frustration with apple and why I have decided to switch back to the windows world... (Machine on order, iMac to go on CL as soon as new machine is setup)...

Apple is much more interested in supporting consumer products than their pro and semi pro users and I get that. So I am taking my pro and semi pro needs back to a platform where those needs are whole heartedly embraced.

 

[johnnyturbouk]

This new Photos app better be DAMN good if they're killing off Aperture.

Maybe they will aim the new app for the masses and prosumers, and completely screw overs the pros, as they have done with their hardware divisions - apple seems to be completely besotted with the twitter/facebook teen crowd, and the style/chic clans -

 

[Zendokan]

Anything yet known when the new 'Photos' app will be available?
Haven't found any new information.

 

[MrGIS]

Don't be foolish..

In my view, anyone who continues to enjoy iPhoto or Aperture would be foolish to move to another solution at this point. Photos is presumably just around the corner, and I expect it to be a very solid product.

Aperture and Nik continues to offer all I need. Moving to Lightroom just does not make sense to me for so many reasons, chiefly the loss of my RAW edits and the learning curve. Being a hobbyist and a busy Dad, there just isn't enough hours in the day to invest in a new system, particularly when there is no upside for me.

I'm not moving away from Apple just because it's trendy. I'll wait see what they come up with in Photos first...

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

I maintain it is junk, it has not had a major update in now nearly 5 years and once you upgrade to the next version of OS X it may or may not continue to work. There will be no more updates for new cameras... Junk Junk Junk!!!

It has just had an update. There has just been a major system update.

As to your question, the answer is that it depends upon the individual photo whether or not I use lens correction. LR5 does this wonderfully and includes all the lenses I use. This includes light falloff and distortion and chromatic aberration. Capture One does it even better, but does not include Nikon's super telephoto lenses which I use for some of my work. Besides light falloff and distortion and chromatic abberration correction

Therein lies my frustration with apple and why I have decided to switch back to the windows world... (Machine on order, iMac to go on CL as soon as new machine is setup)...

I've been spending a bit more time on Windows lately. It reminds me just how much I dislike Windows. But, more to the point -- if one must use Windows, what is the best cataloging system available for consumers. Right now, I'm doing less serious photography. I still think iPhoto does a great job of cataloging people, places, and events.

Apple is much more interested in supporting consumer products than their pro and semi pro users and I get that. So I am taking my pro and semi pro needs back to a platform where those needs are whole heartedly embraced.

I'm confused by this statement. Adobe products are quite available on Mac OS X, although the Creative Cloud licensing is stupid. I'm not really sure what you are saying. Just because you don't want to use Aperture doesn't mean you need to leave the OS X platform. ?

In my view, anyone who continues to enjoy iPhoto or Aperture would be foolish to move to another solution at this point. Photos is presumably just around the corner, and I expect it to be a very solid product.

Aperture and Nik continues to offer all I need. Moving to Lightroom just does not make sense to me for so many reasons, chiefly the loss of my RAW edits and the learning curve. Being a hobbyist and a busy Dad, there just isn't enough hours in the day to invest in a new system, particularly when there is no upside for me.

I'm not moving away from Apple just because it's trendy. I'll wait see what they come up with in Photos first...

I agree. I would like to see how Photos works with my existing photo catalog first. I'm not looking forward to it though, because I want something that will work and keep working 100% offline if convenient. Cloud solutions that depend on 100% cloud availability are not what I want.