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Of course Apple is there to make money, I don't dispute that. However I would argue that with the insane amount of cash Apple is hoarding, it wouldn't hurt apple much to offer, let's say, top of the line specs niche laptops, like a 17" MBP, or software for professionals. I doubt that they would lose money. But offering these products would mean, that they are slightly less profitable than mainstream laptops and simple, easy to develop consumer software only.

Apple had once a reputation of offering equipment and software for graphic professionals. I certainly believe that reputation lured in tons of hobbyists and prosumers. Can't this billion dollar company really not afford to offer a few non mainstream products?

And about the upgrades I wholeheartedly disagree with you. So when you buy or install a new App or OS, you don't expect upgrades further down the line? Oh boy, then certainly nobody would have ever bought FCPX when it was released. I certainly do expect, that when I buy a several hundred dollars worth of a software, that it will be getting Bugfixes, upgrades, etc. In case of a company like Apple, I would expect years of commitment. Well, not anymore.

I'm sad to see Apple slipping into a company which solely cares about profit and mainstream.

Everything is about marginal benefits. I truly believe that Apple probably discontinued the 17" version because it was losing money and 4K displays weren't cheap enough to go retina. Why keep a classic machine around dulling their retina craze? You'll just be complaining HOW COME 17" isn't RETINA?! Sure they could lose money to make people happy, but that's a reach right? I don't know if I agree with you on that.

Onto the upgrades, I DON'T BELIEVE anybody should PAY for any software they aren't happy with in its current iteration. When FCPX came out, and you saw the reviews that it was missing features, I don't think you should buy it at all. People took one for the team to warn others, but I'm sure Apple lost a lot of business because of it. Apple can of course guarantee future development, but I just don't think it makes any sense for anybody to buy software if they're not happy with it. that makes zero sense.

Make no mistake, Apple has always cared about profits and the mainstream. I know you wish Apple would become a non-profit company, but human resources are limited and money isn't the only thing. Carrying a 17" laptop may be another supply line and supply chain that will slow down production of their 13"-15" product lines. Making Aperture may slow down their development of cloud supported photos app. Again vote with your wallet. I, for one, think Apple is actually thinking differently and I applaud them for it and until proven otherwise, will remain a customer.
 
You wont think its dumb if you lose your phone before you had a chance to copy those pictures to your Mac. Or you wished to look at the pictures you took on your phone on your iPad. Or would you regard copying photos from your phone to your Mac as "needless duplication"

I don't take photos on a phone that I care about for more than 30 seconds. I take stupid photos I might text and then delete and that's it...or of some crap I'm going to eBay. It's a camera phone. If I cared about taking photos I'd use a real camera (and I do!).

I do not need these occasional ****** photos I take on my phone backed up in the cloud, nor would I care about losing them. I'm not a part of the self-obsessed "me generation" that needs to photographically document all the inane boring crap in their life and show it off to people in order to attain some sense of personal value or self-worth.

And even if I was and I cared about iPhone photos then you'd have to create another backup of it anyway so the photo stream is still a form of duplication in addition to what's on your phone and Mac, all it does is save you the hassle of grabbing a sync wire and plugging your phone in in order to transfer it to the Mac. But it comes at the cost of battery life and network usage.

That and I just find the concept of cloud storage creepy. I'm perfectly happy with my backup routines. and as much as I try to lose my phone, with Find My iPhone I've never managed to. And I'm the kind of person that would lose their head if it wasn't screwed on.
 
Capture One Pro 7

Hey folks,

Although I'm no longer an Apple computer user (switched to an HP workstation in 2012 from a Mac Pro) I believe that Capture One Pro 7 is available for the Mac. If you wish to avoid the Adobe CC money pit you can trial Capture One and see if it floats your boat. I've tried just about all the RAW converters out there and Capture One has the best conversions for my camera. I used to use Aperture exclusively and I am saddened by this news. Hope you guys find an alternative piece of software!

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Aperture does not display layered PSDs well. I have several images that I've edited in PS, but the thumbnails when they come back into Aperture may only show the top layer with black for the rest, or be messed up in other ways. Also, if I open a PSD again in Photoshop from Aperture, Aperture has a tendency to create a new version of the file with a flattened copy of the original PSD. That would make sense if I had applied Aperture adjustments on top of the PSD, but if I haven't touched it, Aperture should let me go back and edit the original file.

Yes, I experienced those same issues in Aperture before I switched my OS in 2012. I would have thought they would be worked out by now. Shame, really.
 
Will the full version of Lr continue to be updated for new cameras?

Adobe does update older versions of ACR that is used in LR but at some point they stop, so it depends on how old the version of LR is and how new the camera is.
 
If you wish to avoid the Adobe CC money pit you can trial Capture One and see if it floats your boat.

Lightroom 5 is available for purchase just like Capture One. There's no need to subscribe to CC.
 
Use Wi-Fi. Every McDonalds or Starbucks has it for free. We often visit a place that is most off grid, it has a wonderful food co-op and we often enjoy a cup of coffee and roll while uploading.

Oh, please. Then whats the point of having a mobile phone? :confused:
 
Lightroom 5 is available for purchase just like Capture One. There's no need to subscribe to CC.

It's worth reiterating that Of the two you mention, C1 Pro is
configurable to such a degree that one could make it run pretty much in the same way as Aperture does right now. And it has some very advanced tools that are simply better.

LR is NOT the only option as many seem to think. Personally, I can't stand lightroom's layout, and I rarely use it even though it's bundled in with CC. Whenever I do it's hell.

C1Pro can handle a lot of processing and the UI isn't as complicated as it might at first appear. There are a load of tutorials there and regular updates.

I've used Aperture almost exclusively since v1, but the writing's been on the wall for some time. When I switched my imports over to C1 at the beginning of this year even then I thought I would be the last to go kicking and screaming, but evidently not, and no, Apple don't appear to have handled this well, if only by not having the balls to address their customers directly.

They probably couldn't have done such an announcement another way, but still. They could have 'fessed up a couple of years ago and not pissed so many people off perhaps. When was Aperture 3 released? 2010? Whatever.

I'm deep into a process of moving my libraries over (yes, I know; it's a few TBYTES) but what are you gonna do?

One thing I'm not going to do is migrate everything back 8 months from now on a promise of how good a new photos app is. It's just not practical, and I'm guessing I'm not the only one.

Like I said, I love Aperture, and it's a shame, but life goes on.
 
I think Adobe is about to start making a lot more money.

A lot more? I dunno, in the professional realm A LOT more people already used Lightroom. I also know several, several fellow working photographers who jumped ship to Lightroom in the last 3 years just because Adobe visibly takes Lightroom more seriously with features and updates.

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I will continue to use Aperture until it is no longer supported by the hardware. Hopefully Apple will continue with the RAW updates.

I really think you'll be much happier in the long run by beginning a transition plan to Lightroom. RAW processing technology does improve as time goes on. Adobe's 2012 process is great.
 
Not to be an ass, but I wonder by these post how many people upset about Aperture being EOL'd have even used Lightroom?

Read my lips: I DESPISE Adobe! I won't ever give them a single dime more of my money. Ever. Period.

I'll sooner use my iMac and MacBook Pro running Yosemite for the next 30 years, than give Adobe another penny.

Adobe can stick it where the sun doesn't shine!

Mark
 
Read my lips: I DESPISE Adobe! I won't ever give them a single dime more of my money. Ever. Period.

I'll sooner use my iMac and MacBook Pro running Yosemite for the next 30 years, than give Adobe another penny.

Adobe can stick it where the sun doesn't shine!

Mark

So use Capture One Pro. It's better than Lightroom for some things, and can easily be configured to run pretty much exactly the same way that Aperture does today. It takes about 5 minutes to learn this stuff.

I agree - I personally never liked Lightroom, but that's just because of the UI and the way you're locked in to what is, in my opinion, a clunky and inefficient workflow - at least when you're coming from Aperture. Even though some of Lightroom's tools are undoubtedly better and Adobe's development strategy makes Apple look like they can't keep up, to me workflow is king, and Aperture is hard to beat.

Apple may have dropped the ball here, or they may have an incredible universal Photos app up their sleeve. They have a history of knowing what they're doing with this stuff but they also have a history of pushing away their professional users, and for some this feels like a push too far - a final nail in the coffin or whatever. It would benefit Apple if they were more open about the future of their Pro Suite, for example, but it's just not what they do. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it's obvious that many (Including myself in this) are so heavily emotionally invested in a program like Aperture that when the plug is finally pulled the backlash can be irrational. There's a fear that "this is the end" but what is it the end of? The end of doing things in a comfortable way that you're used to? Or the end of you being able to continue being creative, albeit with a slightly different workflow? I could fly through edits and libraries in Aperture, and I was really worried about picking up a whole new way of working/thinking, but it's been clear for some time that Aperture was going to be EOL'd and there are better, more modern solutions.

Sure, Aperture is a solid and mature and fast way of working, but spend some time setting up C1Pro and you'll wonder why you hung on to Aperture on a promise for so long. Yes, it's a ball-ache to migrate existing RAW adjustments, but in the mean time Aperture still works and you will still be able to migrate your entire Aperture library's master (RAW) files over to Photos, probably with adjustments intact (help me out here Apple).

By that time you will be fluent in Capture One Pro (or Lightroom for some) and any critical editing you need to do can be done to your original RAW files from 2013 if that's something you have to do.

I just can't see what punishing Apple by 'Not upgrading my laptop for 30 years' etc is going to achieve for you. And people with the "That's it Apple - I'm going to buy a Windows machine" - WTF is that? I understand the frustration, but how is any of that stuff going to enable you to get better at being creative with photography. That's the bottom line here, right?
 
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I just can't see what punishing Apple by 'Not upgrading my laptop for 30 years' etc is going to achieve for you. And people with the "That's it Apple - I'm going to buy a Windows machine" - WTF is that? I understand the frustration, but how is any of that stuff going to enable you to get better at being creative with photography. That's the bottom line here, right?

Agreed. Its not the platform (windows/mac) or the tool (aperture/lr/C1). Its what works best and doesn't get in your way to achieve better results.

I think its a little over the top to despise a company for no logical reasons (none stated at least). I'm not saying LR is better then anyone else but measure the app on its on abilities, not because it has Adobe plastered on it.
 
It's worth reiterating that Of the two you mention, C1 Pro is
configurable to such a degree that one could make it run pretty much in the same way as Aperture does right now. And it has some very advanced tools that are simply better.

LR is NOT the only option as many seem to think. Personally, I can't stand lightroom's layout, and I rarely use it even though it's bundled in with CC. Whenever I do it's hell.

C1Pro can handle a lot of processing and the UI isn't as complicated as it might at first appear. There are a load of tutorials there and regular updates.

I've used Aperture almost exclusively since v1, but the writing's been on the wall for some time. When I switched my imports over to C1 at the beginning of this year even then I thought I would be the last to go kicking and screaming, but evidently not, and no, Apple don't appear to have handled this well, if only by not having the balls to address their customers directly.

They probably couldn't have done such an announcement another way, but still. They could have 'fessed up a couple of years ago and not pissed so many people off perhaps. When was Aperture 3 released? 2010? Whatever.

I'm deep into a process of moving my libraries over (yes, I know; it's a few TBYTES) but what are you gonna do?

One thing I'm not going to do is migrate everything back 8 months from now on a promise of how good a new photos app is. It's just not practical, and I'm guessing I'm not the only one.

Like I said, I love Aperture, and it's a shame, but life goes on.

I tried C1 years ago and it was slow, buggy and sucked horribly (so did Aperture, which wouldn't even open most of my raw files and the initial release wasn't even color managed). At the time, if I recall correctly, Capture was trying sell a separate product for each camera owned. So for me, that ship sailed long ago when I bought Lightroom 1.
 
I tried C1 years ago and it was slow, buggy and sucked horribly (so did Aperture, which wouldn't even open most of my raw files and the initial release wasn't even color managed). At the time, if I recall correctly, Capture was trying sell a separate product for each camera owned. So for me, that ship sailed long ago when I bought Lightroom 1.

It's 2014 dude. Things have moved on.
 
If Aperture was your reason to use a Mac, then why not?

Seriously? People buy into an OS, surely? I'd say the OS comes before any app. You're suggesting that people bought a Mac because of Aperture?

When Aperture was first released photographers were already using Macs with Capture One. Nobody used a PC then (for photography) - not because it was only available on a Mac (it wasn't) but because A G5 Tower ran a better operating system which made much more sense especially with firewire peripherals etc. Also, Macs are easier to rent out for the rental guys because they're easier to universally spec and a standard for digital operators and photographers to use on a per job basis, without the hassle of switching between workflows.

I switched from Capture One Pro v3 to Aperture because Aperture ran a different library based file system than C1's session based workflow and that suited me better. Both were being run and would only have been run on a Mac. When Lightroom came along nobody switched to or from either OS. C1 has since introduced a similar catalogue filing option - it's fast and it works almost exactly the same way that Aperture does.

If you own a Mac running OS X because of Aperture, and ONLY because of Aperture then that's a pretty foolish mistake you've made there. It doesn't even make sense that a person would suffer the expense and an operating system they didn't like when all they would have had to do would be to stick with Windows and run either Capture One or Lightroom?

Aperture was (is) a great DAM application, but it's not the sole reason Anybody uses a Mac.
Give me a break.

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Too little, too late. I've been using Lightroom since Lightroom 1. No reason to even consider Capture 1.

That's great, I'm happy for you.

In what way do you think I was suggesting that you did any different? The comments I made that you chirped in on were aimed at the whiners who seem to be constantly suggesting that Lightroom is their only alternative. It's not.
It's a great option, but not the only one.

And by the way "No reason to even consider Capture 1"? For a lot of people pushed to make the choice, not having a subscription model (which is inevitably where Lightroom will end up) means that considering Capture 1 is very high up in people's reasoning.
 
Seriously? People buy into an OS, surely?

Why would they do that? You can't do anything with an OS, and there isn't a single OS on the market today that wouldn't allow you to do basically everything that anyone would want to.

People get computers to run applications that allow them to accomplish something, be it wasting time on Facebook or designing nuclear reactors for power plants. What OS the computer runs is by far and large completely irrelevant as long as the needed/preferred applications are available for it.

Sure, if and when the problem reduces down to the point where basically all systems have the necessary software available for you to do what it is that you need to do, then the preferred OS will probably be the deciding factor.

And there are posts in this thread where people say that the only reason they are still on Macs was Aperture.
 
Why would they do that? You can't do anything with an OS, and there isn't a single OS on the market today that wouldn't allow you to do basically everything that anyone would want to.

People get computers to run applications that allow them to accomplish something, be it wasting time on Facebook or designing nuclear reactors for power plants. What OS the computer runs is by far and large completely irrelevant as long as the needed/preferred applications are available for it.

Sure, if and when the problem reduces down to the point where basically all systems have the necessary software available for you to do what it is that you need to do, then the preferred OS will probably be the deciding factor.

And there are posts in this thread where people say that the only reason they are still on Macs was Aperture.

Let's just clear this up:
We're talking about pro/consumer/prosumer photographers here - Mass market. There's no analogy here with I.T infrastructure in institutions such as hospitals, or a "nuclear Power Plant"(!). I strongly doubt that a Nuclear Physicist is debating on whether to get himself/herself the next Macbook Pro or PC equivalent based on anything that has ever been said in MacRumors forums.

You contradict yourself a couple of times there, but essentially you're right - people do buy (or rent) computers to allow them to accomplish something - in this case making photographs. Historically, that has always made more sense on a Mac, and was somewhat diluted when digital photography became more prevalent and Adobe released Lightroom, giving PC users access to the same (or similar) DAM that Mac users were privy to.

Timings and Digital Asset Management are the key here. Aperture came after iLife, iTunes and so on. It was a natural progression from iLife back into the camp that Apple were at the time known for - Pro Apps. Remember though that Aperture was expensive on first release, and so slow to operate that it was almost unusable, and remained so at least until Aperture 2. By this time Lightroom was already under way, so Windows users also had a great option for DAM. Mac users had a choice. Lightroom was the better application for a long time (smoother to run, made sense with Photoshop, better updates etc) so if at that time anybody dumped their favoured Windows OS for the expense of buying a new Mac and then spending another £200+ on Aperture when they could have just gone with Lightroom (not to mention having to buy a new copy of Photoshop, Office, whatever else) then they'll probably admit themselves that they were in fact insane!

The same thing goes the other way: You're on a Mac, Apple kills Aperture, so what? You buy a windows machine? Dump all of your day-to-day stuff, relearn a by now new platform, buy new software at great expense, so you can use a PC version of Lightroom??! Why not buy or subscribe to er, Lightroom on the Mac?
And what happens when Lightroom becomes subscription only? If that's not for you, do you then dump your PC and see what Apple has to offer?

I'm calling it; People saying they are still on a Mac solely because of Aperture are bluffing. They're just lashing out at Apple because they feel that Apple doesn't want to listen, and in the smallest and most irrelevant way possible are hoping that by stamping their feet, sulking, and proposing such a minuscule exodus that they're sticking it to the man. They're scared of Lightroom, haven't looked at the alternatives and Just Don't Want To Change.

It's just not fair.

Meanwhile, the rest of us have moved or are moving on.
 
The same thing goes the other way: You're on a Mac, Apple kills Aperture, so what? You buy a windows machine? Dump all of your day-to-day stuff, relearn a by now new platform, buy new software at great expense, so you can use a PC version of Lightroom??! Why not buy or subscribe to er, Lightroom on the Mac?
And what happens when Lightroom becomes subscription only? If that's not for you, do you then dump your PC and see what Apple has to offer?

Computer hardware has a limited life span. These people might be looking to upgrade their computer in the near future as well, and no Aperture just means that now Windows is an equal option. It is then up to the individual or business to decide where the best value can be found.

There's no way around the fact that exclusive software has been (and for some, still is) a big reason why people choose a Mac over a Windows PC. If you take away that software, you take away the reason, plus aggravate the users who might have just these kinds of knee-jerk reactions.
 
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