Plugging it in for 2 mins lasted 9 hours. You people are just insane. Do you use any other wireless devices plugged in?
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Apple Ends Partnership With Former Design Chief Jony Ive
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Plugging it in for 2 mins lasted 9 hours. You people are just insane. Do you use any other wireless devices plugged in?
He was certainly an iconic designer for Apple like Hartmut Esslinger before.
I like his style (including the original iMac and it's round mouse) but the minimalism at one point went out of balance. Not enough connectors or the wrong ones and an obsession with small size at the cost of not enough battery capacity. Ive and Jobs as a pair still worked pretty good for my needs.
The worst design decision was to abandon customer replaceable batteries that my old Powerbooks had.
I like his style (including the original iMac and it's round mouse) but the minimalism at one point went out of balance. Not enough connectors or the wrong ones and an obsession with small size at the cost of not enough battery capacity. Ive and Jobs as a pair still worked pretty good for my needs.
The worst design decision was to abandon customer replaceable batteries that my old Powerbooks had.
There was no ground breaking design from Apple in the last years. The Apple design is frozen and as Ive pointed out, even the Apple Watch doesn‘t fullfill his needs. Starting with the first rumors I always believed that we will see something comparable to the iPod nano 6, which has been used as a waych already. And I was convinced it would incorporate always on functionality.
With Steve and Ive running the show, the Apple watch had a different design.
So - no one is the new head honcho, just a financial officer.
Finally.
Ive was and is nothing as a designer and also as personality – it was always painful to watch interviews with him – without a guiding leader like Jobs. Cook did the right thing in giving him time to let him 'dismantle' his reputation on his own. Would he had cancelled Ive immediately after Jobs' death, he would have gotten the blame himself instead of Ive. That's one of the reasons Cook is – in his own way – a great leader for a company.
And with the developments in the last two to three years we at last have again computers as tools, not as shiny toys.
Ive was and is nothing as a designer and also as personality – it was always painful to watch interviews with him – without a guiding leader like Jobs. Cook did the right thing in giving him time to let him 'dismantle' his reputation on his own. Would he had cancelled Ive immediately after Jobs' death, he would have gotten the blame himself instead of Ive. That's one of the reasons Cook is – in his own way – a great leader for a company.
And with the developments in the last two to three years we at last have again computers as tools, not as shiny toys.
Apple must now have 3-4 years of product design consultation from him now, which is enough time to work out what to do with the design team.
I expect that they've paid him a fair amount of 'kiss off' money, not to consult on any AVR and VR products for the next few years too.
Let's not badmouth Ive - he was obviously instrumental in making phones, tablets computers etc. mass consumer products from the iMac onwards into the 00s.
Maybe we all get spoilt using Apple products, but if you look at the phones, laptops from other manufacturers, it's surprising how bad they usually are still. Chassis that flex, weird port configurations etc.
Anyway, I get the sense that apple are leaning more into function now than form & the design team will no longer be super stars.
Meaning I'd expect their products to get easier/cheaper to assemble/repair, with a more functional design that enables that.
The Mx Macs I think are obviously the beginning of this.
Ive is obviously a design genius but I wonder now if he'll work on high end brands such as super car designers, watch manufacturers etc. rather than be constrained by mass manufacturing objects.
Why would he do another phone when he (arguably) perfected the smartphone with the iPhone 4 through to the X?
I can see him following the career of his friend Marc Newsom, who has designed high end objects for rich people for much of his career. In that respect, industrial design is more like being an artist.
I expect that they've paid him a fair amount of 'kiss off' money, not to consult on any AVR and VR products for the next few years too.
Let's not badmouth Ive - he was obviously instrumental in making phones, tablets computers etc. mass consumer products from the iMac onwards into the 00s.
Maybe we all get spoilt using Apple products, but if you look at the phones, laptops from other manufacturers, it's surprising how bad they usually are still. Chassis that flex, weird port configurations etc.
Anyway, I get the sense that apple are leaning more into function now than form & the design team will no longer be super stars.
Meaning I'd expect their products to get easier/cheaper to assemble/repair, with a more functional design that enables that.
The Mx Macs I think are obviously the beginning of this.
Ive is obviously a design genius but I wonder now if he'll work on high end brands such as super car designers, watch manufacturers etc. rather than be constrained by mass manufacturing objects.
Why would he do another phone when he (arguably) perfected the smartphone with the iPhone 4 through to the X?
I can see him following the career of his friend Marc Newsom, who has designed high end objects for rich people for much of his career. In that respect, industrial design is more like being an artist.
A lot of posts say and agree that his design was a 'form over function'. This is not entirely true in my opinion. The form/design that he intended for a product was awesome but the technology to deliver the function inside those forms was still way behind or not available.
Just the fact that his departure is discussed here the way it is (with all the "haters" and "lovers") proves how important he was for Apple. No other designer in any other company had as much impact as he did, and no other designer, when leaving said company, created such a buzz.
I did not love everything he did, but I'll be forever grateful that he was such an important part of Apple for so long. Without him, Apple would be just another company selling plastic computers.
I did not love everything he did, but I'll be forever grateful that he was such an important part of Apple for so long. Without him, Apple would be just another company selling plastic computers.
In general, I like when technical people have a strong influence in a company that makes products. But in this case, the products proposed by Apple since Ive left feel more innovative and usable, so maybe while he was (is) a genius in the product definition, he just stayed for too long at the same place and became disconnected with the really of his users.
… and that nestles itself comfortably into our hands without resorting to clawing maneuvers.
Probably Apple no longer sees 100 million dollars in value in the contribution Ive is making from its own company. With so much money, Apple could create a Design School and attract many young next generation designers. If you always work with Ive, you can never find the next Ive.
I have no idea why people on this thread are hating on Ive, yet are Apple customers.
I dont believe we would have an Apple in its current form without him, so really if you like Apple you have to respect him, and not state vitriol like 'good riddance', as if the last 20 years didn't exist.
The company as a whole makes mistakes and still does. Issues with any hardware is not just Ives' fault, and the current state of affairs at Apple in terms of design, is safe and boring. Lets see where they are at in 5 years time without him.
I dont believe we would have an Apple in its current form without him, so really if you like Apple you have to respect him, and not state vitriol like 'good riddance', as if the last 20 years didn't exist.
The company as a whole makes mistakes and still does. Issues with any hardware is not just Ives' fault, and the current state of affairs at Apple in terms of design, is safe and boring. Lets see where they are at in 5 years time without him.
That pretty much what I think of most outsiders opinions against Ive. Inspite of all the evidence to the contrary … a spur of racism. I guess Steve Jobs was totally wrong making him head of design along with his curation acumen … He was behind all the award winning Apple designs. Even the latest iPhone picked up all the cues from his iPhone 4 design … same thing but bigger. Well he was also behind the grotesque mouse charging port … but is the thing of design … sometimes we make huge mistakes … why didn’t Apple already corrected that under TC? Because it’s irrelevant on a daily basis.
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i miss apple products being shiny toys tbh. when was the last time you seen a new apple product and thought wow?
And i dont just mean the first apple watch, or iphone 3gs, i mean the various imac great designs. powerbooks. things that make you go ooh. Apple gadgets are supposed to make you go ooh.
Ive contributed a lot, and we need more Ives.
We could really do with someone of the stature and power of Ive but a more software/experience focus (i realise im describing another Jobs) Someone needs to look at all of the ways in which apple products ouch rather than wow. im looking at you autocorrect, but there are dozens of little things that someone should really be picking up and thinking 'why does our product do/not do this?'
I suspect the real reason the magic mouse shuts down when it is charging is BECAUSE it's upside down thereby preventing false input going to a laptop and interfering with the trackpad. Because the charging port was on the bottom, Apple created a nifty "kill switch" to turn it off. Other makers with wireless mice have no problem charging them while in use. Logitech for instance.
"Apple executives reportedly questioned how much Apple was paying Ive, and were also said to be frustrated that Apple designers were leaving for LoveFrom."
This is the part that really has me worry.
Firstly, not only is Apple seemingly run now by executives who have no understanding of the value of design - and the technical advances it can also bring - and only seem to be counting beans.
Secondly, if a lot of designers follow Ive to LoveFrom, this also shows that these people cherish Ive and his work and work style - more than Apple.
Again signaling that it is not Ive who is having issues here, but rather a whole bunch of talented people are having issues with the current Apple.
All this does not reflect back well on Apple.
This is the part that really has me worry.
Firstly, not only is Apple seemingly run now by executives who have no understanding of the value of design - and the technical advances it can also bring - and only seem to be counting beans.
Secondly, if a lot of designers follow Ive to LoveFrom, this also shows that these people cherish Ive and his work and work style - more than Apple.
Again signaling that it is not Ive who is having issues here, but rather a whole bunch of talented people are having issues with the current Apple.
All this does not reflect back well on Apple.
thankfully i dont have one any more. i hated it. i always had to have a cheap mouse on my desk as backup for when id not charged the magic mouse and it died mid work/game.
I didn’t really care to see him hang around so long after mostly leaving a few years back. I thought he was holding back progress instead of driving it. He’s had his 15 minutes. Now he’s too extreme for mass produced goods since his interest has shifted to specialty items. I wish him well but feel his best years are behind him.
Great. Functionality first, then design. Yes, front ports and many ports.
Haters hate has actually nothing to do with the object for their hate.
It's unaware small people with a lot if self-hate that just look for places to project their own incapabilities on, as they have no self-understanding.
See a lot of it in this thread. That alone says how unique Jony's talents are.
Deep down all these haters wish they had 1% of the talent Jony have showed us that he have. I am not saying he or anybody else is flawless in every way. That is not how creativity works.
Ive is a genius and both Apple and Ive will be fine. He is working with Ferrari now so things aren't turning out too bad.
Yeah.
i don't mind the slightly thicker MBPs. You got ports, great cooling design a working keyboard and a bigger battery instead
I suppose LoveFrom has become too busy for Johny to drop in and critique their designs every now and then. I wonder if their non-compete clause is still in effect. Or the one alluded to in After Steve. It would be quite funny if suddenly LoveFrom designed a ThinkPad or something. If the stories are true though they're probably working on an electric Ferrari or something.