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Apple is trying to provide the best of both worlds with AirTags. Thing is, had they released them and said “They are just like Tile with a 100X larger ecosystem and no app download needed” people would have been up in arms “My gawd, people can track me!!!” The press, as they already have to some degree (I’m looking at you WaPo) would have a field day.

Apple is trying to find the best balance to allow your to track your items AND a measure of protection of being stalked.

Everyone complains, but nobody has provided a realistic solution.

Hard to make everyone happy, the good thing is that the product is evolving. Not sure I ever saw a remote firmware update from the other guys.
 
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3 days was perfect, blame the overzealous journalist that over-blow non-issues, as if you could not buy a tracker for stalking purposes off Amazon.
Yup. Manufacturing fear for clicks. It’s the year 2021 - anyone with the even the tiniest desire to track someone can walk into any Walmart with $40 cash and walk out with a “better” solution than AirTags, and have been able to for many years.
 
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That is not fully correct. It is either (with different time limits that trigger each):
  1. Absent tag owner (you) and movement of the tracker -> beeping of the tracker
  2. Absent tag owner (you) and movement of the tracker with an unassociated phone (iPhone or Android with the new app) -> notification on said phone (I think when you get such a notification, you then have the option to make the tracker beep)
So, if I leave my iPad or second iPhone at home (both signed into my iCloud), the AirTag on my dog would not chirp as he moves about, right? (Yeah, I know they’re not intended for pets, but people are using them that way.)
 
Few can compete in the pretty-small-tracker combined with very-long-battery-life category. But did you see the cooperation with Amazon that Tile has struck up, which presumably adds all Amazon Echos as well Ring Doorbells and the like to the Tile tracking network?
Yeah I did, but there are way more iPhones and Macs around than Amazon electronics. Both are probably more accurate than GPS, besides using less energy.
 
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And stalked people can file a complain with the police and identify the owner of the airtag with the serial number and present charges against him. The fact that the airtag can be used for unlawful purposes does not mean that it should be crippled in functionality so that people cant find and recover their stolen property which is perfectly reasonable use. Apple could implement stronger security measures such as for example link the airtag only to verified Apple ID with credit card, so that the true owner of the airtag used for committing crimes can be easily identified.
Identify the owner, not really. It's not like you need a govt-issued ID to buy an airtag or phone.

And maybe Apple, being a large company with a lot to lose, doesn't want to get involved with the liability of giving users a way to track thieves. Users probably wouldn't be able to prove to the cops that the device was stolen, so they'd take matters into their own hands. And while I, for one, don't care what happens to the thief, the courts do.
 
Then your luggage will beep, if it remains in proximity of a singular i-Device. That chance is very low - if we exclude the option, someone grabbed your luggage deliberatly and carries it with him...
It appears that it will chirp regardless of whether there are other iPhones around. Apple says: “An AirTag that isn't with the person who registered it for an extended period of time will also play a sound when moved so you can find it, even if you don’t use an iOS device.”
 
So, if I leave my iPad or second iPhone at home (both signed into my iCloud), the AirTag on my dog would not chirp as he moves about, right? (Yeah, I know they’re not intended for pets, but people are using them that way.)
I don’t know how Apple is defining ‘absent owner’ here. They could be more or less strict here (and almost certainly change things server-side).
 
Identify the owner, not really. It's not like you need a govt-issued ID to buy an airtag or phone.
It varies between countries but in some you need a govt-issued ID to buy a SIM card. So you don’t need an ID to buy a phone, but you need one to use a phone as a phone (and not just a small tablet).
 
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My girlfriend uses her AirTag with her iPad on her keychain (she has an Android smartphone). Should she now expect that the AirTag suddenly starts to beep when she is not at home for a few hours? :rolleyes:
Three of my Airtags are attached to my apple TV remotes. Will they start going off as I work 12.5 hour shifts, sometimes nights as I'm a nurse. Will they start going off and waking everyone up at home?
 
Three of my Airtags are attached to my apple TV remotes. Will they start going off as I work 12.5 hour shifts, sometimes nights as I'm a nurse. Will they start going off and waking everyone up at home?
Motion is required, so a sedentary remote presumably would not chirp; but the distance that constitutes “moving” is unknown. If someone picked up it, maybe? I don’t know.

I think what would be helpful is if Apple outlined example scenarios under which they would chirp or not. However, they probably want it to be ambiguous.
 
These anti stalking measure changes are silly. 8 hours? I leave for the day to work and I’m going to get airtags randomly playing sounds at my house because I’m gone. It was just fine how it was.

As far as the android app, that is great.

I don’t know if Apple has addressed this, but I believe that if your AirTags are at or near your home, they hopefully won‘t be making a sound, even if they’re not connected to your devices. Since an unknown AirTag will not trigger an alert on the iphone until he or she gets home, I do believe Apple has made a similar decision on this matter.
 
I don’t know if Apple has addressed this, but I believe that if your AirTags are at or near your home, they hopefully won‘t be making a sound, even if they’re not connected to your devices. Since an unknown AirTag will not trigger an alert on the iphone until he or she gets home, I do believe Apple has made a similar decision on this matter.
I’m not certain the AirTag knows where home is. You can label a location as home in Find My, but you don’t have to. And what about kids who go back and forth between divorced parents or people who have multiple homes?
 
Identify the owner, not really. It's not like you need a govt-issued ID to buy an airtag or phone.

And maybe Apple, being a large company with a lot to lose, doesn't want to get involved with the liability of giving users a way to track thieves. Users probably wouldn't be able to prove to the cops that the device was stolen, so they'd take matters into their own hands. And while I, for one, don't care what happens to the thief, the courts do.
You don't need an ID to buy the AirTag or phone, but when you activate the AirTag it gets tied to an AppleID. That AppleID information is what Apple can give the police.

Sure people can use fake names, etc. to set up the AppleID, but that AppleID is also going to be tied to a device that Apple can identify for the police. The police can use that to track the device and find it's location, which is likely to lead to the owner of both that device and the AirTag that was being used to stalk someone.
 
Apple really should have two modes of use: 1) find lost stuff, and 2) anti-theft, and then just let people flip a toggle switch in software when they set it up.

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Apple really should have two modes of use: 1) find lost stuff, and 2) anti-theft, and then just let people flip a toggle switch in software when they set it up.

$0.02
There's nothing that an AirTag can do as a theft prevention device. It literally can't prevent theft like an ignition kill switch, proximity key, or any other actual theft prevention device. At best, an AirTag can serve as an after-theft tracking device. But if Apple allowed the device to be flipped from a lost item finder to a theft tracking device, they'd essentially be creating a stalking device. The exact thing they're trying to prevent.
 
Thanks. Now the guy who just stole my backpack knows he needs to find and ditch the tracker.

$30 down the drain.
 
AirTags were rumored and leaked for a couple years. Every Apple event people speculated, "are they finally coming?"

But now that they're here... there seems to be a bunch of problems and/or confusion about what they can and cannot be used for.

Hopefully this all gets straightened out.
 
So what's the point of AirTags if all a thief has to do is open up his Find My app and see if there are any hidden AirTags on my laptop that he just stole? And if he forgets to check before running off with my stuff, my AirTag will alert him in 8 hours now instead of give me 3 days to find him and get my stuff back. I thought the whole point was to help me track my stuff, not help everyone else stop me from tracking my stuff.
When you notice the device is stolen, you mark it as stolen in your FindMy app. Apple locks it and the theif can't use it or change anything.
 
Do you know what is a serious concern of suburban moms? Child kidnapping. If you poll then they things it’s huge. But it’s insanely rare for a child to be kidnapped by a stranger and these tragedies have been falling for years. So...what people fear is no basis for decision making. What is the realistic likelihood should be the basis.
Are you saying that because one fear is baseless, all fears are baseless?
 
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