Apple Escapes Immediate EU Fines, But Penalties Still Likely

[Abazigal]

@Sophisticatednut Well, I suppose I will have to stand corrected on this one.

iOS 26 to let third-party apps build their own AirDrop alternative - 9to5Mac

With iOS 26, a new API allows 3rd-party apps to discover and connect nearby devices over Wi-Fi, without needing an internet connection.

9to5mac.com

🙃

 

[Stuwil]

All you do is need to look around and see that a smartphone is not a necessity. Not saying it isn’t convenient as a form factor. With the exception of putting it in my back pocket most of what can be done on an other form factor enabled by cellular communications, in fact some do it much, much better. Cellular communications which is the necessity is regulated.

Because you are probably from a generation that never ever had smartphones
Where as this is not the reality if your from a younger generation because times have changed.
Plus the fact you say it’s not a necessity says your an older individual not in touch with today’s younger people and their perspective in regards to today’s reality

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Don’t know. Ask them. When you opted into a business relationship with your internet provider did you read the fine print? Were you obligated to pay them a 30% commission? Why be disingenuous about this?

First my business relationship with the ISP doesn’t mean Apple, Samsung etc can free ride on their IP. I pay for the service to access the internet.
If I’m subscribed to Netflix with my iPhone or ordered things from Walmart and Amazon that was made using the ISP technology ip should allow them to collect a commission for that.

If Apple doesn’t want to take a commission on sales in the Amazon store doesn’t mean they shouldn’t pay a commission to the ISP providers that made it possible.

Secondly They are currently not allowed to take this cut because of government meddling. Remember how net neutrality violates the right for them to take a fair commission for the value they provide. Etc etc

I would love Apple fiber and Apple towers. But they wouldn’t become an MVNO and probably wouldn’t get regulatory approval to purchase spectrum.

They can always use the existing spectrum. And exactly this is the government killing innovation. Now Apple and all the other smartphone devices are exploiting the infrastructure for free instead of building their own infrastructure.

 

[I7guy]

Because you are probably from a generation that never ever had smartphones

No I’m from a generation that understands the pulse of the beat in 2025 and when things are untrue.

Where as this is not the reality if your from a younger generation because times have changed.

Some things have changed and some things not. A smartphone is a cool form factor. That many get in without them is Oreos, unlike air food or water they are not a necessity.

Plus the fact you say it’s not a necessity says your an older individual not in touch with today’s younger people and their perspective in regards to today’s reality

a necessity is a necessity right?

 

[Sophisticatednut]

@Sophisticatednut Well, I suppose I will have to stand corrected on this one.

iOS 26 to let third-party apps build their own AirDrop alternative - 9to5Mac

With iOS 26, a new API allows 3rd-party apps to discover and connect nearby devices over Wi-Fi, without needing an internet connection.

9to5mac.com

🙃

Oh interesting could you elaborate? And this was indeed a welcome surprise so quickly as well.

 

[Stuwil]

No I’m from a generation that understands the pulse of the beat in 2025 and when things are untrue.

Some things have changed and some things not. A smartphone is a cool form factor. That many get in without them is Oreos, unlike air food or water they are not a necessity.

a necessity is a necessity right?

Not if you’re a younger person in today’s society or else you wouldn’t be making statements like that because you don’t understand their perspective as times have changed.
If you can remember a time before android and iOS then you don’t really understand today’s younger generation in terms of smartphone functionality

 

[I7guy]

First my business relationship with the ISP doesn’t mean Apple, Samsung etc can free ride on their IP.

It absolutely does mean Apple can ride free on their ip, because that is the agreement. Your ISP bill means Apple can use it. You signed up for it, even if you didn't read the fine print.

I pay for the service to access the internet.

And Apple gets to use it. Just like google, IBM and Microsoft and Netflix. Of course if one does not have any Apple products, Apple won't deplete your monthly capacity unless you consent to it.

If I’m subscribed to Netflix with my iPhone or ordered things from Walmart and Amazon that was made using the ISP technology ip should allow them to collect a commission for that.

I think that's a brilliant business plan, just need some good technical skills behine it.

If Apple doesn’t want to take a commission on sales in the Amazon store doesn’t mean they shouldn’t pay a commission to the ISP providers that made it possible.

Secondly They are currently not allowed to take this cut because of government meddling. Remember how net neutrality violates the right for them to take a fair commission for the value they provide. Etc etc


They can always use the existing spectrum. And exactly this is the government killing innovation. Now Apple and all the other smartphone devices are exploiting the infrastructure for free instead of building their own infrastructure.

All of this is very disingenuous:
1. No consumers is required to purchase an iphone
2. No dev is required to become a dev for apple
3. No apple customer is required to download an app from the app store.

 

[I7guy]

Not if you’re a younger person in today’s society or else you wouldn’t be making statements like that because you don’t understand their perspective as times have changed.
If you can remember a time before android and iOS then you don’t really understand today’s younger generation in terms of smartphone functionality

Dear Sir: I will posit you cannot understand who buys what in terms of smartphones and cell phones and who needs what capabilities. And you are doubling down with generational gap misinformation.

 

[Stuwil]

Dear Sir: I will posit you cannot understand who buys what in terms of smartphones and cell phones and who needs what capabilities. And you are doubling down with generational gap misinformation.

No buddy I have a young son and that is entirely his and his generation’s view in terms of how the functionally of the smartphone in today’s society

 

[Sophisticatednut]

It absolutely does mean Apple can ride free on their ip, because that is the agreement. Your ISP bill means Apple can use it. You signed up for it, even if you didn't read the fine print.

What relevance is my agreement with the ISP and apples device that uses their IP for free?

And Apple gets to use it. Just like google, IBM and Microsoft and Netflix. Of course if one does not have any Apple products, Apple won't deplete your monthly capacity unless you consent to it.

Monthly capacity? I’m speaking of the revenue that is generated on their devices with the help of the ISPs infrastructure and IP for free. Apple doesn’t pay for it, nor Google or Microsoft etc.

They might pay for the data that their servers use, they might even pay a license for some proprietary network functionality such as different 5G versions.

But they do not pay a commission for the value they offer. When I open up safari and goes on Amazon to order a new grill, that is only possible because my iPhone can use the isp infrastructure.

All of this is very disingenuous:
1. No consumers is required to purchase an iphone
2. No dev is required to become a dev for apple
3. No apple customer is required to download an app from the app store.

1: iPhones don’t require 3g, 4G or 5G. It can always use satellite internet, WiFi or build their own infrastructure.
2: mobile phones don’t require to work with ATT or T-mobile infrastructure either. Make your own infrastructure
3: no consumer needs to purchase things on a smartphone. They can always walk to the store or call them

Edit:

I think that's a brilliant business plan, just need some good technical skills behine it.

It also needs some laws to be removed. This would likely make internet cheaper and better for consumers because they nolonger need to subsidize all the free loaders.

If Apple or Samsung needing to pay a commission for any revenue generated it will increase innovation

 

[I7guy]

No buddy I have a young son and that is entirely his and his generation’s view in terms of how the functionally of the smartphone in today’s society

I've seen parents give their kids flip phones for safety sake. Your point of view doesn't represent the larger population. Although honestly smartphones are ubiquitous even if all of the capability is not needed.Buying a non-smartphone is like trying to buy a CRT in this day an age of flat panel tvs and monitors.

 

[I7guy]

What relevance is my agreement with the ISP and apples device that uses their IP for free?

You gave Apple that permission when you signed up for your internet.

Monthly capacity? I’m speaking of the revenue that is generated on their devices with the help of the ISPs infrastructure and IP for free. Apple doesn’t pay for it, nor Google or Microsoft etc.

You gave up the right to decide who uses your monthly capacity when you signed up for your internet service.

They might pay for the data that their servers use, they might even pay a license for some proprietary network functionality such as different 5G versions.

But they do not pay a commission for the value they offer. When I open up safari and goes on Amazon to order a new grill, that is only possible because my iPhone can use the isp infrastructure.

We agree its the internet (all inclusive of fiber, coax, cellular, satellite etc) not the form factor that provides the modern convenience of online ordering or whatever internet activity is done.

1: iPhones don’t require 3g, 4G or 5G. It can always use satellite internet, WiFi or build their own infrastructure.

2: mobile phones don’t require to work with ATT or T-mobile infrastructure either. Make your own infrastructure
3: no consumer needs to purchase things on a smartphone. They can always walk to the store or call them

Google has already made their own infrastructure and as I said previously I wish apple would do the same, but I do not think it is in their DNA.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

You gave Apple that permission when you signed up for your internet.

In what way can I sign away someone else’s IP? When I buy an app from the AppStore or an IAP it’s the developer who is required to pay a commission to Apple for using thei IP and value.

You gave up the right to decide who uses your monthly capacity when you signed up for your internet service.

The monthly capacity isn’t paying for the value Apple is free riding on.
I pay a subscription for data I consume and generate. Apple Pay’s for the data they provide and consume from their servers. Apple doesn’t pay anything for the purchases that is possible on their iPhones uses.

We agree its the internet (all inclusive of fiber, coax, cellular, satellite etc) not the form factor that provides the modern convenience of online ordering or whatever internet activity is done.

Indeed. And the smartphone is free riding. They don’t need to have more functionality than a flip phone unless they pay a fair commission for the ip it uses.

Google has already made their own infrastructure and as I said previously I wish apple would do the same, but I do not think it is in their DNA.

Well we can hope the government gets out the way and ISP providers can start charging a commission so Apple might be motivated to make their Apple fiber.

 

[I7guy]

In what way can I sign away someone else’s IP? When I buy an app from the AppStore or an IAP it’s the developer who is required to pay a commission to Apple for using thei IP and value.

The monthly capacity isn’t paying for the value Apple is free riding on.
I pay a subscription for data I consume and generate. Apple Pay’s for the data they provide and consume from their servers. Apple doesn’t pay anything for the purchases that is possible on their iPhones uses.

Indeed. And the smartphone is free riding. They don’t need to have more functionality than a flip phone unless they pay a fair commission for the ip it uses.

Well we can hope the government gets out the way and ISP providers can start charging a commission so Apple might be motivated to make their Apple fiber.

The convoluted pretzel logic that is being used here. A better analogy is a popup stall in a mall that has to pay the mall owner commissions on sales and probably a base amount of rent for the space as well.

 

[Stuwil]

I've seen parents give their kids flip phones for safety sake. Your point of view doesn't represent the larger population. Although honestly smartphones are ubiquitous even if all of the capability is not needed.Buying a non-smartphone is like trying to buy a CRT in this day an age of flat panel tvs and monitors.

good so I’m glad we have cleared that up
About being from an older generation
Because as I say I’ve got a son over a certain age and him and his generation view smartphones differently from individuals that are not from their era.
Its just the way it goes if you can remember a time before iOS and Android then your not going to fully understand because you where brought up in a different era

 

[amartinez1660]

No buddy I have a young son and that is entirely his and his generation’s view in terms of how the functionally of the smartphone in today’s society

I do understand what you have been trying to convey regarding what the young generation deems critical nowadays… but I concur that an iPhone it’s not a necessity, maybe the telecommunications and internet, yes.

Back in my school days it was deemed a “necessity” having Jordan Nike Airs (or equivalent Rebook, LA Gear, Vans, etc), loose pants, funky head wear, etc… so much so that you would be seriously excluded socially if failing to follow the “necessary trend”.
But that doesn’t make it a necessity, what’s a necessity is having presentable reasonable clothing and shoe wear.

But sadly, mid-school never ended… today we exclude people depending on the type of fancy car they park on their driveway in front of their McMansion for others to see (instead of the garage because it’s parked full of useless trinkets instead), even if it is just rented out via leases. But still it isn’t a necessity, transportation is what is a necessity whether by a cheap car, bus, subway, bike.

 

[I7guy]

good so I’m glad we have cleared that up
About being from an older generation
Because as I say I’ve got a son over a certain age and him and his generation view smartphones differently from individuals that are not from their era.
Its just the way it goes if you can remember a time before iOS and Android then your not going to fully understand because you where brought up in a different era

Me as well. I'm glad you understand that smartphones are not a necessity. If one wants the form factor then it is theirs' to buy. People look at needs when deciding on an electronic product and that is why some parents give their kids flip phones. If you can remember a time before ios and android it means you are sophisticated enough to understand what is happening today and to see things as they really are.

 

[Stuwil]

I do understand what you have been trying to convey regarding what the young generation deems critical nowadays… but I concur that an iPhone it’s not a necessity, maybe the telecommunications and internet, yes.

Back in my school days it was deemed a “necessity” having Jordan Nike Airs (or equivalent Rebook, LA Gear, Vans, etc), loose pants, funky head wear, etc… so much so that you would be seriously excluded socially if failing to follow the “necessary trend”.
But that doesn’t make it a necessity, what’s a necessity is having presentable reasonable clothing and shoe wear.

But sadly, mid-school never ended… today we exclude people depending on the type of fancy car they park on their driveway in front of their McMansion for others to see (instead of the garage because it’s parked full of useless trinkets instead), even if it is just rented out via leases. But still it isn’t a necessity, transportation is what is a necessity whether by a cheap car, bus, subway, bike.

Hey listen I totally understand however from my son’s perspective and his generation then everything is setup away that the smartphone is a key functionality in today’s society because of how things have changed

 

[Stuwil]

Me as well. I'm glad you understand that smartphones are not a necessity. If one wants the form factor then it is theirs' to buy. People look at needs when deciding on an electronic product and that is why some parents give their kids flip phones. If you can remember a time before ios and android it means you are sophisticated enough to understand what is happening today and to see things as they really are.

You can’t function in today’s society without a smartphone if you’re my son’s age and his generation
What age do you think I’m talking about because he’s not under 14 buddy

 

[I7guy]

You can’t function in today’s society without a smartphone if you’re my son’s age and his generation

That’s not a true statement. Maybe your son can’t function without one but parents giving their kids flip phones means it’s totally possible.

What age do you think I’m talking about because he’s not under 14 buddy

Up to 18 because at that point they are an adult and do what they want.

 

[Stuwil]

That’s not a true statement. Maybe your son can’t function without one but parents giving their kids flip phones means it’s totally possible.

Up to 18 because at that point they are an adult and do what they want.

You do understand that you can work at 16 year’s old like pay taxes.

So again because you are an older person not from that generation then obviously you don’t understand that perspective because you’re from a generation where smartphones never existed so you are coming at it from that perspective
In today’s society amongst my sons generation then the smartphone is key

 

[I7guy]

You do understand that you can work at 16 year’s old like pay taxes.

A 16 is not an adult and cannot sign contracts alone.

So again because you are an older person not from that generation then obviously you don’t understand that perspective because you’re from a generation where smartphones never existed so you are coming at it from that perspective
In today’s society amongst my sons generation then the smartphone is key

I think the issue is you’re making a gross generalizing because you have a 14 year old and that’s the perspective you are coming from.

 

[Stuwil]

A 16 is not an adult and cannot sign contracts alone.

I think the issue is you’re making a gross generalizing because you have a 14 year old and that’s the perspective you are coming from.

My son is not 14 years old not once did I say that.
What I did say is your probably from an older generation so you don’t understand that perspective because you’re from an era before the smartphone was mainstream so your not going to properly understand today’s situation from their perspective

 

[Abazigal]

Oh interesting could you elaborate? And this was indeed a welcome surprise so quickly as well.

Wifi-direct appears to be available on iOS devices (based on the video transcript), which incidentally are the ones which fall under the DMA. Meanwhile, the Mac is conspicuously absent, and it is also exempt from the DMA. Perhaps there is no need to open up said protocol on the Mac because it's already available? I am not familiar enough in this area to comment, and well, it all just feels like too much of a coincidence.

I will have to wait and see what is available, and just how close this comes to an airdrop alternative (I assume users will not need to download a separate app). It does appear that while Apple seems to be actively resisting the DMA on one hand, they are also hedging their bets and working behind the scenes to open up parts of iOS in keeping with its demands.

I guess the proverbial oak tree (Apple here) has finally encountered a storm strong enough to knock it over. 😕

 

[I7guy]

My son is not 14 years old not once did I say that.

You’re using your son as a persona for the generation of kids where a smartphone is a necessity and I’m using my friends child as an example where it’s not. Either something is a societal necessity or not. If not just call it an individual requirement.

What I did say is your probably from an older generation so you don’t understand that perspective because you’re from an era before the smartphone was mainstream so your not going to properly understand today’s situation from their perspective

What I did say is I have the sophistication to understand societal necessities. And a smartphone while convenient falls far short of a necessity.