Apple Event to Include 13-Inch MacBook Pro, 16-Inch MacBook Pro, and 13-Inch MacBook Air With Apple Silicon Chips [Updated]

[33man]

Where is :

- mini led display
- borderless screen XPS 15 style
- Face ID
- Wi-Fi 6
- 4K webcam
- decent form factor to dissipate Heath and avoid cpu throttling
- MagSafe to plug your phone

please...

 

[zamin]

Very much doubt i’m pretty sure the plan has always been to start from the bottom and work up - the position they start from is one of extreme power efficiency rather than performance. Start with exploitation of that and go from there. I’m sure they’ll close the gap to the 10th gen Intel processors though and when the refresh for the top end 13” does come out they’ll probably destroy it.

I'm hopeful the performance of the upcoming Apple Silicon chips will far exceed that of the current 10th gen Intel offerings, put down to the long-running rumour of an all-new 12-core chip.

I feel as though AS offers Apple a way to simplify the range, rather than complicate it further by keeping the existing 10th gen model alongside. It will be interesting to see Apple's strategy around this.

 

[johnalan]

Wow right in the solar plexus for this 16" owner. Its all good I hope the new ones obliterate this one in performance. Sorry sweetie.

don’t worry brother 16inch to ARM very unlikely. I had to return mine in the end. Are you having those same KP on reboot issues I had?

Because Intel had suitable processors ready.

Apple need to build a) a bigger CPU cluster b) a much bigger GPU cluster c) some sort of high-bandwidth memory to feed all those clusters d) a new ultra-fast interconnect to wire it all up and e) tons of cache

If they were ready with all these components, they could have also released a high-end desktop. But the rumors are suggesting that all this high-end stuff in coming next year (the Lifuka chip etc.).

Unless of course its a rather anemic version of the 16" which I severely doubt — why would they release a 16" Apple Silicon version that is slower than the current one?

your views are predicated on information you cannot possibly have.

 

[Riffmonster]

An obvious but easy upgrade - put in a better camera. With all the Zoom meetings, FaceTime calls and Livestreaming going on, that's at the top of my list.

 

[PickUrPoison]

But will they add a 1080p camera?

It doesn’t need 1080p but it does need a better sensor imo.

 

[bklement]

Slightly worried they’re already ditching the intel 16”. If software is slow, buggy, and/or missing on the new processors (as it was for Microsoft’s ARM efforts), it might be a couple of years before I can replace my 15”.

Don't compare windows to a kind-of-unix os, which has a long history of supporting arm.

 

[leman]

your views are predicated on information you cannot possibly have.

You are entirely correct. Maybe they have all this tech ready to go. I just would be really surprised if they did, because then they would have hidden it very well. Also, if they are ready — why do they need two entire years for the transition?

 

[Fomalhaut]

I'm curious to see what the graphics performance will be like for the air and the 13 inch. The 16 inch will probably continue to use discrete graphics from AMD but the other two machines have used the intel Iris architecture that is embedded in the CPU up until now. Does that mean apple developed it's own graphics solution in house?

Yes. The GPUs in the A-series chips in iPads already exceed the performance of all Intel Iris iGPUs (with the possible exception of the new Tiger Lake Xe GPUs - which will almost certainly be beaten by the new Mac SoCs).

 

[jz0309]

I have to believe that Apple will make the AS version easily identifiable, standing out vs the Intel models, now this could be easily done using a new color but I think there will be a re-design that will show AS vs Intel ... so I continue to say no 16 AS ...

 

[johnalan]

Very much doubt i’m pretty sure the plan has always been to start from the bottom and work up - the position they start from is one of extreme power efficiency rather than performance. Start with exploitation of that and go from there. I’m sure they’ll close the gap to the 10th gen Intel processors though and when the refresh for the top end 13” does come out they’ll probably destroy it.

If that is the case. If they are behind as you expect, they’ve blown it.
They didn’t start working on this during state of the union. I expect this ready.

 

[macduke]

Honestly didn't expect the 16" MBP to move to Apple Silicon until Summer 21. Well, I guess that means it will be sooner before I get the second or third generation! Aren't the ones next year supposed to include new display technology?

 

[jz0309]

You are entirely correct. Maybe they have all this tech ready to go. I just would be really surprised if they did, because then they would have hidden it very well. Also, if they are ready — why do they need two entire years for the transition?

and if memory serves ... TC said there will be Mac updates with Intel CPUs ...

 

[johnalan]

You are entirely correct. Maybe they have all this tech ready to go. I just would be really surprised if they did, because then they would have hidden it very well. Also, if they are ready — why do they need two entire years for the transition?

Fair points.

If though they are behind on this, to the point where they can only push out low end 13 replacements I think that’s a pretty anemic launch.

 

[Fomalhaut]

16" already? Can't wait to hear about its graphic performance.

I would be very surprised (pleasantly) to see a 16" with Apple Silcon next week, unless it is an "entry-level" model with a fairly lacklustre GPU. If it can match current AMD GPUs I would be mightily impressed.

I think the report may refer to another Intel MBP16. But it would be odd to include that in the Apple Silicon launch...

 

[zamin]

Where is :

- mini led display
- borderless screen XPS 15 style
- Face ID
- Wi-Fi 6
- 4K webcam
- decent form factor to dissipate Heath and avoid cpu throttling
- MagSafe to plug your phone

please...

Mini-LED is rumoured to make an appearance at next year's WWDC. Likely coinciding with a larger 14" display.

Am hopeful Face ID will find its way into the upcoming AS MacBooks in response to Windows Hello.

I've no doubts Wifi 6 will be coming also, seeing as the current iPads and iPhones have been running it for a while now.

I'd expect a 1080p webcam at the least.

Form-factor wise I anticipate a slightly thinner chassis. Really not much else this time around.

I hate to say it but MagSafe seems like wishful thinking due to USB-C taking over. Will very happily eat my words if ever it makes a return to the Mac.

 

[citysnaps]

Quite a feat by Apple! But I wonder how many folks are going to buy those first versions of the new machines with Apple Silicon?

I know for myself that I will wait until at least the 2nd generation of Apple Silicon machines is announced. For now I'm going to hang on to my Intel iMac....

I'll buy an AS 16". Have yet to be disappointed purchasing any 1st gen Apple computer. An exterior redesign is not a driver for me. I'm happy with the current design.

 

[Fomalhaut]

That would go against everything Apple said during the WWDC. They promised unified memory and Apple GPUs for Apple Silicon Macs.

Indeed. I would be really surprised to Apple Silicon paired with an AMD GPU which as you say would be totally contrary to their own WWDC presentation.

It's conceivable that the MBP16 is an entry-level model with 8-12 core AS integrated GPU.

 

[bklement]

No 13” to start with - there are two 13” MBP models at the moment, 8th gen Intel Processors and 10th gen. The 10th gen will still be the top end 13” MBP, then entry level 8th gen will be replaced with AS.

Next year the 14” MBP will replace the 10th Gen Intel models. I suspect the entry level 13” MBP with AS will stay around as a cheaper option like it currently is.

That would be kinda interesting, 'cheap' 13" Air, then more expensive 14" and 16" models. With all the other manufacturers it's the other way around: the smaller footprint you want, the more you pay, with 13" being the best of the best. It would be disappointing if Apple were to define premium by sheer computing power.

 

[jarman92]

Hard to believe that Apple would make this huge transition to new silicon and espouse all the great things that it'll enable...using the same designs they've used for like 10 years. With maybe a new design coming next year? How do they expect to entice people to upgrade to a completely untested system?

 

[sjn419]

If AS 16" comes out Im going to get regardless of it being 1st gen. My mid-2014 needs to be replaced badly.

 

[BeatCrazy]

Ugh.
I'd much rather have a 12 inch Macbook.

What if the new "13 inch Air" model used the old 12" MacBook chassis and just had a larger screen?

 

[Fomalhaut]

“The process will take around 2 years...”

I thought they said it was going to take 1 year?

Nope...Tim Cook said "about 2 years".

 

[luvbug]

What was the point of the current radical new Mac Pro design if they have a new smaller design in the works? Seems like a lot of wasted engineering resources for a short lived product unless they will have 2 different models of Mac Pro?

Ok, I'll bite: Because they couldn't put an Intel design in a smaller enclosure (due to thermal constraints).

 

[ascender]

The theories are all very interesting but also very confusing... Apple have just got the laptop lineup back in to a very logical, simple & cohesive place. Are they going to go and screw it all up again?

If it was just the Air going to Apple Silicon just that would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? The Air is the default mac for most people these days so battery life trumps performance. Most buyers don’t care if there’s a new one coming next month or next year, let alone what’s inside It.

But then some MBPs transitioning, but not all of them?

Can’t wait to see what they do.

 

[BeatCrazy]

Hard to believe that Apple would make this huge transition to new silicon and espouse all the great things that it'll enable...using the same designs they've used for like 10 years. With maybe a new design coming next year? How do they expect to entice people to upgrade to a completely untested system?

You mean for the past 4 years.

And for the past 4 years, they've probably been using those same form factors with Apple Silicon chips, for testing purposes. Meaning, they've been designed for Apple Silicon, all along.