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Apple Executives Discuss the New A14 Chip and Apple's Approach to Chip Design
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I'm not sure how you did your calculation that 3.5Ghz takes three times the energy as 2.0 Ghz, and that might be true of x86, but I don't think we have enough information about Apple ARM architecture to make a calculation like that. Apple Laptops will have at least 10 hours of use, and they will adjust power consumption to be able to make those claims.
People doubting the power of the A14 for Mac.....you realize the A11 chip in iPhone8/X was on par with most laptops and they've only gotten faster each year. the A13 is currently the fastest mobile chip available and outpaces anything Android has to offer, with the A14 continuing to blaze past the efforts of Qualcomm.
One of the only things holding these chips back is the RAM in iOS devices and a lack of active thermal cooling. Put them in a proper desktop setup, these "pro gamers" will be eating their words very soon.
My Intel 2017 iMac has bit of a struggle when editing 4K videos and takes quite a minute to export. My iPhone XS Max (A12 chip) can do this without any lag editing and exports in half the time. It's time to move on as Intel clearly is handicapping the Mac.
One of the only things holding these chips back is the RAM in iOS devices and a lack of active thermal cooling. Put them in a proper desktop setup, these "pro gamers" will be eating their words very soon.
My Intel 2017 iMac has bit of a struggle when editing 4K videos and takes quite a minute to export. My iPhone XS Max (A12 chip) can do this without any lag editing and exports in half the time. It's time to move on as Intel clearly is handicapping the Mac.
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So for you guys, its about the money that makes a man serious or more important for society?Gamers are locked down in their world without any real social people. They know just 1 thing, obsession about games
So a gamer is more important than a crappy salary doctor that tries to fight this covid issue
No wonder, how small people thinks
again, gamers are often without any knowledge about anything else(like our user that made that hilarious statement, so theres a proof), because they are too obsessed to one thing and their entire life can’t learn travel meet or make money based on something else..some of them can’t even talk in their own language
So kudos for you gamer
So a gamer is more important than a crappy salary doctor that tries to fight this covid issue
No wonder, how small people thinks
again, gamers are often without any knowledge about anything else(like our user that made that hilarious statement, so theres a proof), because they are too obsessed to one thing and their entire life can’t learn travel meet or make money based on something else..some of them can’t even talk in their own language
So kudos for you gamer
No one is crapping on gamers, there's nothing better than doing what you love and making a living off of it.
The annoyance comes from ignorant comments like "Apple sucks cant game". Apple has never claimed to an elite gaming rig that has a high refresh rate, low latency, response times etc.
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“Small people”?
I’d wager a well paid gamer is indeed more important that a doctor who is lowly paid and performing. They provide entertainment to likely millions of people, which especially during this time is needed.
I think the only small minded person here is you my friend.
You sure do upset easily. Might want to work on that.
Wow, the A14 designed to work fanless and with pretty much no free air movement (no convection cooling) and needing to run off something like a 5000mAh (3.7V?) battery (Pro Max) for up to 20 hours, plus severe package size limitations, doesn’t outperform a CPU + GPU both presumably with forced air or maybe even water cooling plus maybe a 1000W+ PSU delivering the power over essentially unlimited time? Who would have thought it. Totally irrelevant comparison. Give Apple comparable size, thermal and power envelopes to work within and then compare the result to your gaming rig. That simply isn’t the sector that at least the current chips we’ve seen are targeting.
I mean - if you were actually trying to lose the debate you couldn’t have done a better job.
Are you a hypocrite now? The person who was upset because we made fun of that gamer is you. Thats all
And we are not friends ..starting to lie now right to make a point?! Or is just a saying..without a real meaning
Again, gamers cannot be opened..you are a living proof.
Again when gaming is more important than knowledge or more important than your own life..says a lot
This become off topic, so im out from this hilarious discussion, thank god we still have real doctors , architects, constructors, game developers so that you can game and live in your virtual life , and a lot of others serious jobs that make this world a better place. Without gamers we can live
Then you have no idea what anyone else is doing out there. It isn't a secret that Apple's chip designers are the best in the world at the moment and are far ahead of the competition with mobile chips. That will absolutely translate to increased gains over their x86_64 competitors when plugged into a wall and have less thermal constraints. Everyone who knows anything about serious hardware expects Apple to put out amazing desktop and laptop chips. The only people who doubt that haven't looked into what Apple has done and is working on.
Yep my iPad Pro 2018 blitz s my Mac pro 16 in 4k editing so much that I edit all my drone and go pro footage on the iPad over the Mac! I’m really looking forward to the a14x or what ever the chip will be called
Hopefully with this tech they can move Siri offline onto the chip and always on and conversational mode.
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I mean how small can they make a processor?
Seems like 5mm is the limit”
Who told you that? A gamer?
“TSMC kicked off for Apple, its 2nm process R&D, and is progressing in research and exploratory studies for nodes beyond 2nm”
I mean how small can they make a processor?
Seems like 5mm is the limit”
Who told you that? A gamer?
“TSMC kicked off for Apple, its 2nm process R&D, and is progressing in research and exploratory studies for nodes beyond 2nm”
Hahaha, I think it's some kind of performance art. If that's the case, umm, well done, I guess ...
Didn’t they already use the M-series names for the “Motion Coprocessor”?
Power (which i assume is what you mean instead of energy) is equal to C times voltage squared x frequency. So it scales linearly with frequency, unless voltage also has to increase to achieve the increased frequency (which is often the case).
When you say "many" what do you mean? Do you mean "more than one or two", or do you mean more than 1% of Twitch streams?
Do you think that the average civil engineer makes more or less than the average Twitch streamer? Do you think the average video game player makes more from playing video games than the average the average civil engineer?
"A lot of people" make great money playing golf, tennis, football and poker (more than thousands or people), but not a meaningful number relative to the number of people who play golf, tennis, football and/or poker. There is certainly a possibility that the person who describes himself as a "a pro gamer and an aspiring Twitch variety streamer" is in that league, but I would bet against it.[/quote]
Just basing my views on what is likely, not what is possible.
Man, now I want me some ARM chips built on a 5mm process. Just think of the power handling capabilities. Plus, you could use it for heating houses. Heck, put a pressurized water vessel over it and hook up a turbine and you could generate power with it.
On wikipedia it says that Silicon has:
- covalent radius = 111 pm ~ 0.1 nm
- Van der Walls radius = 210 pm ~ 0.2 nm
The distance between two neighboring atoms must be twice that (since diameter = 2 * radius).
Isn't "5nm" the MOSFET channel length? How many atoms does it need at minimum?
You would be surprised about how many developers use Macs and use "non-traditional" VM tools such as Docker, Valet, Homestead and other container OSes. Software like MAMP and WAMP are things of the past; with so many advantages by using containerization based development.
This is going to be a huge struggle for developers if they are unable to efficiently run Linux micro OS's without passing it through rosetta stone v2. That will increase the costs for hardware and decrease the productivity of the developers.
For example, with the latest version of Magento 2.4+ you cannot even host the software on a Mac or Windows desktop... but instead REQUIRES a VM or dedicated box.