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Apple Executives Speak on the 'Low-Cost Phone', Android's Fragmentation Issues

UKPoliticsGuy said:
I have deep reservations over the grammar of that headline title.
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Seriously? It's an Alfred E. Neuman reference.


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Honestly -- you have to wonder how Apple PR allowed BW to take a pic like that for a cover. OK no one sees BW on the stands. OK they were trying to be playful. But the end result is the pic will make rounds on the Internets and Cook kinda looks clueless. Ive's look confirms he's thinking that too, and Federighi seems to be thinking "are you OK boss." Really the opposite impression Apple should be giving the business world and public at-large right now and the "What Us Worry" caption just compounds the CEO photo faux pas.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
Honestly -- you have to wonder how Apple PR allowed BW to take a pic like that for a cover. OK no one sees BW on the stands. OK they were trying to be playful. But the end result is the pic will make rounds on the Internets and Cook kinda looks clueless. Ive's look confirms he's thinking that too, and Federighi seems to be thinking "are you OK boss." Really the opposite impression Apple should be giving the business world and public at-large right now and the "What Us Worry" caption just compounds the CEO photo faux pas.
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Looks like three guys joking around to me. Which is funny because I thought Jony Ive abandoned emoting some years ago.
 
auero said:
4.4 is rumored to introduce a way for older devices to be updated to the newest version of Android.
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I'm not being snarky, but could you link a source to that? I'd be interested to read more on that possibility.

But I'm sure there will be an asterisk on this that says in fine print "not available for Verizon phones". :)
 
Chupa Chupa said:
Seriously? It's an Alfred E. Neuman reference.


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Honestly -- you have to wonder how Apple PR allowed BW to take a pic like that for a cover. OK no one sees BW on the stands. OK they were trying to be playful. But the end result is the pic will make rounds on the Internets and Cook kinda looks clueless. Ive's look confirms he's thinking that too, and Federighi seems to be thinking "are you OK boss." Really the opposite impression Apple should be giving the business world and public at-large right now and the "What Us Worry" caption just compounds the CEO photo faux pas.
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Oh boy I think you're reading waaaaay to much into a picture. I saw it and thought it looked like a playful, fun photo. Nothing more nothing less.

The article itself was a joke. Businessweek has rare access to three Apple executives and spend most of the article talking about Android. I'd much rather have had a straight up interview without the filler.
 
TWSS37 said:
Because it's last years phone being masqueraded in plastic as current gen
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That doesn't really answer the poster's question -- how is the 5C @ $99 bad for customers? Just because it's in a plastic shell doesn't defacto make it a less usable phone? And the reality is it's likely going in a plastic case upon purchase.
 
My original iPhone still runs iOS 3.1.3 . :(

(Can't believe it still works after 6 years.)

That would be like me right now having in my pocket iOS 3. I can't imagine it.
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cambox said:
Tim Cook says this about Android.. "And so by the time they exit, they're using an operating system that's three or four years old''.

Would that be the same as me buying a Mac Pro today? I'm using hardware which is older than 3-4 years old, and so out of date its a joke? Oh and I pay todays money for it? Mr Cook be careful what you say otherwise you will look silly.. You look silly and disrespectful Mr Cook and I am your customer base.
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He not talking about hardware is he!?
 
TWSS37 said:
I'm not being snarky, but could you link a source to that? I'd be interested to read more on that possibility.

But I'm sure there will be an asterisk on this that says in fine print "not available for Verizon phones". :)
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For the average non techie Android smartphone owner who decides what software they get and when they get it? The OEM or the carrier they're using?
 
Fun with adoption....already, 1/3 of iOS users are on iOS 7 - only 21 hours after release. Meanwhile, it took Android a YEAR after Jellybean's release to gain 1/3 of users...and that's over multiple version of JB. Currently, only 0.64% of Android users are on 4.3, the most recent version of Android.

https://mixpanel.com/trends/#report/ios_7
 
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Tim Cook: "And then I told the analist we would price the iPhone 5c below $400".

I'd like this without the text in front of it to make more Apple-related silly jokes.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
That doesn't really answer the poster's question -- how is the 5C @ $99 bad for customers? Just because it's in a plastic shell doesn't defacto make it a less usable phone? And the reality is it's likely going in a plastic case upon purchase.
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But it does, because to his/her question about current gen, this really is last year's iPhone being lauded as "current" gen and new. At least in the past when last year's phone was reduced in price people had a better idea that it was last year's phone.

Not debating your usability point, just saying this is last year's phone being touted as THIS year's phone alongside the 5s.
 
bbeagle said:
You are so wrong. It's THE issue with Android right now.
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People who get flagship high end Android devices have zero to worry about. People who go in looking for a free phone or one for $19.99 don't give a rats rump whether they have ICS or JB. I would wager 9/10 people couldn't tell the difference between 4.2.2 and 4.3, but in Apple land if 100% of the handsets out there aren't running 4.3 then it's "ZOMG look at the fragmentation."
 
samcraig said:
No - it's really not an issue. "feature" phones are the ones running older OSes and those phones aren't used or need to be used in the same way as the newer smartphones.

This is what's funny. People talk about how Android is on so many cheap phones and then try and argue that Android is fragmented because the older cheap phones aren't running the current OS. None of those users care because they don't need the latest OS.

It would be like putting iOS7 on the original iPhone. Good luck.
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Well... if that's the case, how about reporting numbers of Android smartphone sales - devices that are comparable to iPhones, instead of inflating Android's marketshare by including "feature" phones in the sales numbers?

You can't have it both ways.
 
Mactendo said:
"What, us worry?". Clowns on the Titanic.
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Not even close. Even if everything Apple does for the next 5 years fails and flops, Apple has so much money in the bank that Apple will still thrive - all the executives and employees will still be paid handsomely and not have anything to worry about monetarily.

Something that every Android manufacturer has to worry about, excepting Samsung.
 
Mactendo said:
"What, us worry?". Clowns on the Titanic.
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Really? Wow.

It is amazing how a negative narrative takes hold and starts to gain momentum.

I just do not see the 5C and 5S (along with iOS 7) as the train wrecks that some are perceiving them to be. I like the new OS and I am interested in the 5S.
 
Rogifan said:
Oh boy I think you're reading waaaaay to much into a picture. I saw it and thought it looked like a playful, fun photo. Nothing more nothing less.
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I was my first impression & didn't meditate over it. My previous life was in PR so I know a little about the subject. I noted it was playful in my post, and that's fine, but wrong context for a business magazine who's main audience is investors more interested in Apple's bottom line than it's playful image. That doesn't mean the picture should have been stuff, but this one is just too cute for the subject matter. It doesn't give off a measure of seriousness or confidence about their mission.
 
The only thing people seem to be looking at with "fragmentation" is the OS version. In reality the OS version isn't the whole story with Android. Most of Androids core apps and services are moved/moving to the Play Store allowing Google to update these core apps/services without a major OS update.

"We’ve talked about this before, but it bears repeating. Google has solved this problem in the form of Google Play services. Google Play services is an app that is pushed to any Android device using 2.2 or higher and contains the latest Google services APIs. In other words, 98.5% of Android devices are running the newest APIs thanks to Google Play services."

http://androidandme.com/2013/07/opinions/tackling-the-fragmentation-myth/

So fragmentation really is split personality and one of the two is being bashed at.
 
mrhick01 said:
Really? Wow.

It is amazing how a negative narrative takes hold and starts to gain momentum.

I just do not see the 5C and 5S (along with iOS 7) as the train wrecks that some are perceiving them to be. I like the new OS and I am interested in the 5S.
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You would be correct. The reviews are overwhelming positive. Both phones will sell like crazy. The doom and gloom crowd is tiresome; we've been hearing it for years. We heard this same crap when the iPad came out and look how that turned out.
 
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