Apple Executives Speak on the 'Low-Cost Phone', Android's Fragmentation Issues

[Technarchy]

Android's fragmentation isn't an issue anymore.

Which explains why the Samsung galaxy gear watch only works with one Samsung phone.

 

[absurdamerica]

So on the eve of launching two separate phones with different specs and just days after launching a legacy app program and after yesterday's iOS7 release that I can't use on my less than two year old iPod, we're bashing Android for fragmentation?

Seperate specs- That has nothing to do with fragmentation in any way, they run identical operating systems. You don't even know what you're talking about.

Legacy App program- Will actually mean users have a better experience on down level iOS versions making iOS "fragmentation" to the extent it exists less painful.

iPod Touch - So you buy a device with a processor that came out in 2010 and expect it to run the latest and greatest stuff in 2013? Give me a break. What you're doing is the equivalent to me being upset my first gen iPad (also with an A4) doesn't run iOS7.

 

[BaldiMac]

You're comparing software when I am talking about hardware.

I didn't mention hardware or software, but good try.

And the biggest misnomer IMO is the fact that Android HAS to be running on current OS iteration to have a supreme experience. Any Android device running 4.0 and up will give virtually the same experience, save Google Now.

That's the kind of rationalization the Apple fanboys are renowned for. Why do we need to pretend that new Android releases don't have any new features?

 

[croooow]

Well they do have bragging rights.

Do you ever post more than a few words?

 

[samcraig]

Which explains why the Samsung galaxy gear watch only works with one Samsung phone.

One doesn't prove the other in your example

 

[blackcrayon]

Yes. You're right. Your one anecdote proved everything. :-\

So you think he/she was the only person who purchased that model of phone?

 

[MonkeySee....]

? Are you for real? You cant have a CEO talking about their competition saying some part of their business offer is 3-4 years out of date when yours also is out of date, but even worse you want your customers to pay todays money for something thats 3-4 years old? Do you not get how dangerous saying that is? The Apple PR machine has just shot themselves in the foot, News wires all over the world are picking this up right now. Maybe if you worked in Media you would understand it better?

Oh ok. I see what you're doing. You carry on, Mate. What ever makes you happy.

 

[Mactendo]

You would be correct. The reviews are overwhelming positive. Both phones will sell like crazy. The doom and gloom crowd is tiresome; we've been hearing it for years. We heard this same crap when the iPad came out and look how that turned out.

Oh no, please. I had nothing against iPad. It was an original product.
Today I read a lot of posts from those who just installed iOS 7 asking how to revert to previous OS. Lets wait a bit and see the public reaction.
5c doesn't sell like a hot cake. Most popular model in China is gold 5s.

 

[juanmanas]

"What, us worry?". Clowns on the Titanic.

Latest report says the iphone 5c and 5s will sell 60% faster than the iphone 5. Can you please tell us where the titanic is?

 

[samcraig]

So you think he/she was the only person who purchased that model of phone?

One person's anecdotal "evidence" isn't proof of anything. Ate you suggesting it is?

 

[arsenal6]

Not worth a response. Read the tx!

No it is worth a response, you are comparing a laptop vs mobile hardware.

Might as well compare cars with planes.

 

[BaldiMac]

Tim Cook sorry to say is an Accountant. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22615146

No, he's not. He has degrees in industrial engineering and business administration.

 

[Riverton]

Just be honest Tim. You thought you could increase profit margins by decreasing cost of production at the expense of your customers. Every past new iphone release has the previous model going down in price similar to $99 but this time Apple wanted to make even more money.
Way to go. I hope your plan backfires

I'm with you! They used to introduce a new phone at $199, then sell older models at $99 and $0. NOW, they're selling a new phone at $199, another new model at $99, and then an older model at $0. The nerve!

 

[Technarchy]

One doesn't prove the other in your example

Explain how Samsung's flagship phone released only 5 months ago, being incompatible with their smart watch tech due to an outdated version of android OS does not prove software fragmentation is not a continuing problem...

 

[juanmanas]

Tim Cook sorry to say is an Accountant. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22615146

I don't see in your citation any reference about Tim Cook being an accountant....

And no, he is not.

 

[Count Blah]

"We never had an objective to sell a low-cost phone," says Cook. "Our primary objective is to sell a great phone and provide a great experience, and we figured out a way to do it at a lower cost."

Yeah, lower cost. If you have the salary of a CEO.

Slip sliding away, slip sliding away
The more they release only $500+ phones, the more the market share keeps slip sliding away

 

[arsenal6]

Apple are like a supernova.. growing huge before the big bang. The over reliance on the iphone is so dangerous it beggars disbelief. Once Apple was an innovative cutting edge company, now they have to make lower cost goods using old tech to make up the numbers. This is a typical way US companies become once they are over large and lose the big personality at the top. Share holders want a return, not new tech as thats risky. More tweaking and high volume sales of what we have now please, but once your share starts to slide we will jump ship. Typical stock holders making typical decisions. Its about money now not about new ideas. Tim Cook is a good accountant and we all know what accountants do to companies. Mac sales down year on year yet again!

Please provide me with quotes where their sales are down year over year. You just sound like a troll.

 

[TWSS37]

I didn't mention hardware or software, but good try.

Your 'arguments' on this forum are generally vague, so assumptions need to be made.

 

[nazaar]

So on the eve of launching two separate phones with different specs and just days after launching a legacy app program and after yesterday's iOS7 release that I can't use on my less than two year old iPod, we're bashing Android for fragmentation?

Yes that's correct. Now go and buy yourself a new iPod.

 

[powerbook911]

You thought you could increase profit margins by decreasing cost of production at the expense of your customers. Every past new iphone release has the previous model going down in price similar to $99 but this time Apple wanted to make even more money.

While I certainly understand this point, I would have to disagree. Surely sliding iPhone 5 down to the $99 price point in a 8GB version would have been the cheap way out.

Apple spent all the R&D to bring customers a completely fresh and updated iPhone 5C at the $99 price point and keep it at 16GB of storage.

The 5C is much more appealing at $99 for *most* people than a 8GB iPhone 5. There is a cool, new factor about the 5C, despite being primarily iPhone 5 specs.

 

[samcraig]

Explain how Samsung's flagship phone released only 5 months ago, being incompatible with their smart watch tech due to an outdated version of android OS does not prove software fragmentation is not a continuing problem...

Right after you tell me why Siri wasn't available on the iPhone 4 despite being proven it world work fine. Perhaps because Samsung is initially pushing people towards the latest hardware. I don't believe they said it works only with the newest version of Android.

Silly argument anyway since the number of people buying the watch will be low ;-)

 

[tbrand7]

Well, I guess they really don't have anything to worry about. Even Scott is getting in on the iOS 7 action!

 

[applefanDrew]

This is a case where statistics can prove whatever you want them to.

For people that care about apps, running the latest and greatest, do you think they care about fragmentation? Do you think my mother cares she's not running Android 4.3?

Fragmentation is an issue in the Apple world because Steve Jobs said it, so it must be so. Had he not said that, no one would be talking about fragmentation, ever.

PS - I can't upgrade to iOS7 with my Apple device and I'm running Android 4.3 on my other device.

Nice straw man. Whether people care or not is not the issue companies need to worry about. If you're two years behind on an Android OS, you're missing features. Features that most likely Android had before iOS. But the person with the 2 year Android phone starts looking at the newer iOS on, say, a friend's device and thinks, "Oh, nice features." And the seed to switch is planted.

 

[cmichaelb]

Just be honest Tim. You thought you could increase profit margins by decreasing cost of production at the expense of your customers. Every past new iphone release has the previous model going down in price similar to $99 but this time Apple wanted to make even more money.
Way to go. I hope your plan backfires

The 5c is the previous model, with a different body, that you can get for $99 on contract.

How did anything change?

 

[jakebot]

But it does, because to his/her question about current gen, this really is last year's iPhone being lauded as "current" gen and new. At least in the past when last year's phone was reduced in price people had a better idea that it was last year's phone.

Not debating your usability point, just saying this is last year's phone being touted as THIS year's phone alongside the 5s.

Actually, to be fair, some of the internal parts have been upgraded in the 5c compared to the 5... for example:

-Larger facetime pixels for lower light.
-Larger battery for 2 more hours of talk time.
-More LTE bands than any other smart phone.

So technically it's an update for a lower price.