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Apple Expanding Enterprise Efforts, Developing Dedicated Sales Force

Well Apple, if you want to hit the business market then...

... don't let us without our hardware while our macs, pads or phones need repair, (and DON'T make us wait for an appointment at your stores)

... don't change pro software into toys (pages, keynote, numbers and others) leaving us in a complete mess and the urge to switch overnight to other software

... don't feed us with beta versions of your OS while switching off the old versions

...don't bother us with amateur software as mail, calender ...

:mad:
 
I hate to say it but my winblows PC at work is more stable than my Mini using Yosemite.
Safari doesn't work with some websites which would definitely be a problem for businesses who don't want to switch between browsers like we have to do at home at times.
Apple really needs to buckle down and bring back the simplicity of their Operating System and make the browser completely functional
 
princigalli said:
No I'm sorry but how can I blame the IT department if some Apple computers stop responding to wifi and Apple pretends that nothing happened? I mean that problems come up but Apple's childish attitude of ignoring trouble customers will never make them reliable. Microsoft and Dell would at least try to fix things.
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Lol. There is a graphic card kext issue with 2008 iMacs. If you update the OS past 10.6.2, you will get a beachball within a couple hours, and you are forced to reboot. It is 100% a software issue because you can run windows just fine, and you can downgrade to 10.6.2 and have the iMac run perfectly fine. Apple has known about this since 10.6.3 and has done nothing. Imagine a company buying hundreds of these, running into this issue, and apple continues to blow off the problem like they have been doing for years.

When you are a single source for hardware and OS, and you don't fix known issues, that is a sure fire way to find yourself out if the enterprise market.
 
building Apple specific server infrastructure would be a waste of time. just work on better integration with Windows and Linux
 
mr.bee said:
hmm, I don't think it ever was Apples main goal to conquer the business world. It never was about "ignoring" I think. They always wanted to bring the best/the right consumer experience. (more margin per device sold)

Business is about getting things done right with as few resources as possible. They can tackle the first thing, but the second is much more difficult for Apple. Can you explain to a bookkeeping company that they should buy 700$ computers/ipads instead of 300$?Those numbers are not going to be filled in faster/ more correctly because of the apple on the back :)

I'm not sure they know how to tackle this at the same time.

If you check the recent ipad ads it's about creating a "unique" or "on the spot" knowledge and know-how thanks to the ipad (a combination of device & developers).That's good for some business but not for most.

But that strategy doesn't translate to a bookkeeping company for example.
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This explanation makes a lot of sense actually. I guess it comes down to Apple saying, "we refuse to make a computer that is junk for anything other than running a spreadsheet and web browser." Thanks.
 
Shaun said:
The fact that this partnership is to develop iOS only apps further denigrates the importance of OSX to Apple's long term future plans. Wonder how long before iOS moves across to the Mac to replace OSX.
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That will be the day we change to windows, after 32 years in business with Apple...
 
itguy06 said:
When it is proven to have a lower TCO over Windows on the Desktop it does show foresight. Countless studies have shown Macs need less care and feeeding than Windows.
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They used to. But now they are soldered and glued disposable items. You used to be able to maintain. And upgrade the macs for years. But now you throw it away. TCO is much lower these days. Base soldered models will not last as long due to a lack of upgradeability. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
Monique1 said:
The above should basically end the thread discussion. I was about to point out some of these very same things. Apple in the Corporate world... this notion always makes me chuckle.
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iOS already dominates the enterprise world compared to other mobile operating systems.

These enterprise initiatives has nothing to do with Macs or OS X.

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Everyone here seems to be talking about Macs, OS X, XServe, Mac Mini, iWork, iCloud, Apple stores etc.

It is not about the Mac, it is all about furthering iOS penetration in the enterprise.
 
unplugme71 said:
I see the Xserve coming back.
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It is impossible to see any way the economics of this would make sense in the context of actively and intelligently courting enterprise markets.

The only real reason to buy an Xserve back when they were around was OS X - the hardware itself was unspectacular. Apple leaving their server OS tied to a very specific model of hardware when the future of x86 servers outside of specialised corner cases is running Hypervisors, would be just a great big middle finger to enterprises everywhere who *hate* task-specific appliances.
 
batchtaster said:
Well, that's not true at all.


Yosemite is a 1.0.0 product. It's been out for less than a month. I've been working on enterprise deployment (integration, corporate apps -Microsoft Lync was only just updated for compatibility- configuration, imaging, etc) since the day it came out, and I have zero expectation of ever releasing 10.10.0(.0.0.0.0.0). I've never deployed 10.x.0 of any version of OS X, and with past experience managing OS X (since 10.4), I don't expect or plan that I ever will.

If you need OS X now, why are you not deploying OS X 10.9? 10.9 didn't stop working the day 10.10 came out. Business necessity and continuity supersedes having the "latest and greatest." Our lab environments have been running 10.8 this year, and next year they'll get 10.9, not 10.10.
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My Mac Pro at work sits on 10.8.5 because I loose printing support in CS3 if I upgrade past that. When my CC gets here it'll move to 10.9 and probably stop there. I need the computer to work I don't need features.
 
John Purple said:
Well Apple, if you want to hit the business market then...

... don't let us without our hardware while our macs, pads or phones need repair, (and DON'T make us wait for an appointment at your stores)

... don't change pro software into toys (pages, keynote, numbers and others) leaving us in a complete mess and the urge to switch overnight to other software

... don't feed us with beta versions of your OS while switching off the old versions

...don't bother us with amateur software as mail, calender ...

:mad:
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There are some truths here. The repair process is certainly annoying. Pages, Keynote and numbers are all fine apps but they aren't up to Office 365 standards at all. OS stability is paramount to a business case use for software.

Mail and calendar are kind of dicey.

So yeah. ;)
 
Count Blah said:
Lol. There is a graphic card kext issue with 2008 iMacs. If you update the OS past 10.6.2, you will get a beachball within a couple hours, and you are forced to reboot. It is 100% a software issue because you can run windows just fine, and you can downgrade to 10.6.2 and have the iMac run perfectly fine. Apple has known about this since 10.6.3 and has done nothing. Imagine a company buying hundreds of these, running into this issue, and apple continues to blow off the problem like they have been doing for years.

When you are a single source for hardware and OS, and you don't fix known issues, that is a sure fire way to find yourself out if the enterprise market.
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There not trying to get the Mac into enterprise. The whole point of this partnership with IBM is that you will still have IBM back-end hardware with an iPad app as the user interface. The Mac isn't going to replace your Windows/Unix/Linux based servers and desktops.

For example a large retailer might replace their expensive point of sale hardware with an iPad running an enterprise iOS app that links to their back-end stock control systems running on IBM hardware.

This is not about selling more Macs, it's about selling more iPads.
 
hans1972 said:
iOS already dominates the enterprise world compared to other mobile operating systems.

These enterprise initiatives has nothing to do with Macs or OS X.

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Everyone here seems to be talking about Macs, OS X, XServe, Mac Mini, iWork, iCloud, Apple stores etc.

It is not about the Mac, it is all about furthering iOS penetration in the enterprise.
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Not so much there. The enterprise world on phones has moved very heavily to byod. It is not so much that companies supply phones any more but more give you a per diem. Heck I was considering a job at a consulting company that was owned 50% by Microsoft and they ran that way. Gave you money per month for a cell plan but you where required to pay for your own. Most employees had either android or iOS.

Where I work now they do not provide a cell phone but almost every connects to the companies system with our own smart phones. Split is around 50/50 on Android iOS.
 
usersince86 said:
Apple has essentially ignored this market for a long time, and has therefore been essentially ignored by it. iOS has re-opened the door.

Beyond iOS, it would be great to see a Mac (mini?) specifically configured for enterprise, including expandability and price. Apple could do it if they really wanted to. Hope that's part of the overall strategy.
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Would love this!
 
Klae17 said:
Ok and how is that Apple's problem that you have a stupid accountant that apparently makes all the purchasing decisions?
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I work in the real world where cheap people make all the choices while the clever people have to deal with the fallout.
 
CYKBC said:
their regular account manager roles pay below market rate but then it all depends on what you can command. w2s baby
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Not the carrier account people that I know at Apple. They do really well.
 
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