Do you put your kid in a car? Because that's like having 107 m&ms where 1 is poisoned. https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/
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Do you put your kid in a car? Because that's like having 107 m&ms where 1 is poisoned. https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/
No, it's "I looked at all of your previous points, spent 90 minutes writing a thorough rebuttal of all of them, then had you refuse to engage with any of it or acknowledge the things you said weren't correct, and instead just come out with a new load of speculative/misleading/false claims with citations that rarely back them up, and now I'm not wasting my time doing it again".
I'm not angry, I just find it sad that you're happy to spend a lot of time writing a wall of text making some pretty serious claims, but when confronted by someone methodically going through them and showing you're not correct, you seemingly can't handle it and just move onto making more speculative/misleading/false claims, then apparently get annoyed when they won't waste more time responding to your latest batch.
I like how you also ignored me literally starting my reply with "I'm sorry to hear about your uncle and cousin".
They don't, and we don't. We just know that correlation isn't causation, especially at this scale. We're well aware that some people experience vaccine side effects, it's just that for almost everyone they're mild and temporary. The number who experience anything more serious is very small, and almost all of those things are treatable too.
As @nathansz pointed out, 7 out of 1000 people are not dying from getting vaccinated, though depending on your age/health, your odds of dying of COVID itself will often be much higher than that, so it's a pretty irrelevant hypothetical.
If there were, then doctors definitely would use them, and they have found some treatments beyond just supportive care since the pandemic started. The problem is that a lot of people seem so keen to see a massive conspiracy where after they did trials, doctors around the world started using dexamethasone (a cheap generic) to treat some COVID patients because the trials showed it helped, but are refusing to use other treatments that would work better, for no apparent reason except [insert conspiracy here].
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Great refute to my flawed anology. Now for the rest
ok. i'll try.
After a quick google, I believe the reason is to increase competition. A COVID vaccine could easily bankrupt a big company like J&J, a half a trillion dollar company. So why would someone like J&J risk it on one vaccine when they have thousands of other products to make money from?
The few big drug companies have most of the smart people who could figure out a vaccine for COVID. But if none of them want to risk their company developing a single drug, then would be pretty bad for USA if something like a biological weapon hit.
So, George Bush signed the PREP act legislation and put the responsibility of keeping Americans safe onto the FDA. In fact, those drug companies were holding out on developing bird flu vaccines at the time until they got some protection.
In 2009 I moved from Windows to Mac for EXACTLY ONE reason: I was tired of the virus killers and the daily virus updates and system troubles. Not going to move to a virus killer scheme and regular updates in real life.
Also: compared to the African Swine Flu, which killed 50 % of the world's pig population in 2019, this COVID-19 Virus is a mild one. Imagine if something like the ASF would hit humans. No vaccine and no meds will help us then, the only way to prevent that is to go plant-based, everyone.
Also: compared to the African Swine Flu, which killed 50 % of the world's pig population in 2019, this COVID-19 Virus is a mild one. Imagine if something like the ASF would hit humans. No vaccine and no meds will help us then, the only way to prevent that is to go plant-based, everyone.
Good comment. There's not much in the mainstream media, but questionable "alternative" media websites are reporting good results from 22 countries in Africa, and deliver favourable anecdotes from all over the world.
What puzzles me are the complaints and warnings over Ivermectin. Nobody is complaining about people taking Vitamin C sups, or for example... Green Tea or Ginko extract... or Red Bull for that matter. Ivermectin has been FDA approved decades ago and seems to be just as save as acne medication or light weight painkillers, so why the big fuzz?
Interesting how you avoided this post, and this post, and this post.
You provided *some* data for your initial reply… then, and now out of sheer laziness you have copied and pasted your previously unsatisfactory assertions here, even disregarding complete other topics for vaccine hesitation beyond the ACE2 receptor.
Please read them and give me data to combat them. I will no longer respond to you unless you provide data.
You float something out there to assume I’m making something up, where are my facts incorrect?
Similar reports can be found elsewhere.
Does it matter? Was he wrong?
But you didn’t.
No money whatsoever involved in that one. 🙄 Amazing coincidence they came out the day after the election with the news of this vaccination. 😂
He/she doesn’t care. He/she will ignore facts and pretend what they have to offer is relevant.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this? Getting vaccinated isn't like installing McAfee, your immune system isn't going to start complaining that your subscription has expired 😉.
There's really two issues here:
- When people promote using supplements with no evidence base behind them instead of treatments that have been proven to work, especially when the thing is life threatening, people rightly do complain about it.
- Unlike vitamin C or green tea etc., ivermectin has a load of side effects associated with it, some of them very serious (seizures etc.), a lot of people are taking ivermectin that's designed for animals rather than people, which brings a load of other safety issues with it, and the dosages a lot of people are taking
No, I explicitly read that post and noticed that despite you quoting my reply to you where I dismantled pretty much every claim you made, you didn't respond to any of it, and just came out with a whole load of new claims instead.
The sheer quantity of citations isn't as important as to whether they actually back up what you're saying and are of good quality. Yours failed to do that, and in fact, most of them just made an even stronger case for getting vaccinated. I'm not sure what I'm meant to have copied and pasted, though it's a bit weird for you to claim that, seeing as earlier you very literally copied and pasted a massive wall of text from a previous post into a new one, and then only edited it after I pointed out you were essentially spamming the forums by reposting it a second time.
For what feels like the millionth time:
I'm not going to waste my time reading through and systematically debunking yet another set of speculative/misleading/false claims with citations that rarely back them up, from someone who has demonstrated they won't actually engage with what I've said when I do that.
Considering your responses seem to just be spewing more walls of text with speculative/misleading/false claims and a sea of citations that rarely back them up, fine by me!
I mean they've refused to, but if you want to discuss me going through their points, and actually explain why all the stuff I wrote and linked to from scientists is wrong, you're very welcome to.
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Great news, I have updated this post with addition sources, and further detail.
Secondly, this reply has no data. Be better, provide data.
Since you only refuted point one, in one post, (and simply refuse to look at others), claiming the vaccine had no side effects due to how the spike proteins were used, here are my original sources. Plus some extras I found.
More evidence that spike proteins do not stay on the cell membranes but end up circulating in the blood. This study aims to explain the blood clots caused by the J&J and AstraZeneca adenovector vaccines, they claim that the DNA isn't properly spliced and the spike proteins end up in the blood causing thrombosis when the spikes attach to the ACE2 receptors of the endothelial cells: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-558954/v1
Japanese article on how the Pfizer vax is associated with brain hemorrhaging: https://joppp.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40545-021-00326-7
Article on how AstraZeneca is associated with blood clots in the brain: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104840
Article on how the spike protein in vaccines can cause cell damage via cell signaling: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7827936/
Article that when the spike protein binds to the ACE2 receptor it causes the release of soluble IL-6R which acts as a extracellular signal which causes inflammation (see the first paper for evidence that the spike causes the release of IL-6R and see the second paper for an explanation of how soluble IL-6R causes pro-inflammatory transcellular signaling: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33284859/And https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491447/
Another article that Spike protein from covid or the vaccine causes inflammation through cell signaling, this time there is evidence that the spike protein causes senescence (premature aging) signals in the cell which attracts leukocytes that cause inflammation of the cell: https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.00794-21
Spike protein by itself causes cell damage by eliciting a pro-inflammatory response: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41375-021-01332-z
Vaccine causes heart inflammation if it seeps into the veins. They could help prevent this to some extent by following the standard practice of aspirating the needle (pulling back to see if they're injecting to a vein). But they're not following standard procedure: https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab707/6353927
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Though I did love this moment enough that I had to make a GIF of it (he literally did say this). Honestly not sure if I've ever seen someone look so angry while talking about getting stoned before, but Tucker delivers!
It has been weaponised by people wanting to attack government policies, and the vaccine. I don't see people with complaints, I see show me the money when we are on a time limit and already using x amount of different drugs (there are a few qualified that comment and various orgs well regarded that also comment).
For my money, if there was an immediate and observable effect then medicos in the hot wards would have been all over this (back channel chat from people treating not the press supposing).
Hence the proper trials to ascertain the claims. Perhaps there is a particular instance where this will work, that can be put out there and used that way
Covid: Ivermectin to be studied as possible treatment in UK
Scientists begin to give the drug to people at home with symptoms to see if it can keep them out of hospital.
www.bbc.co.uk
Not too thoroughly tbh. My dentist took too much of them, didn't end well (at all). I try to stay below 100mg a month, but sometimes they come in real handy to cut inflammation building up. I'm a "treat very early" and "look twice before crossing the road" kind of guy...
Yeah, in my arsenal of pain relief as dictated by the doc but had a squint at the sheet once and a lot of warnings including get to the hospital is such and such happens. If people are not sure with the vaccine then looking towards other medication they could be popping on a daily basis could be an eye opener.
Not put me off it, I still use it in anger when required but have more powerful nsaids prescribed for the need. But it has not stopped me the vaccine, I just appreciate there are risks, but covid is a greater risk.
Edit. Not sure when the trials are complete.
are you saying that eating only a plant based diet helps prevent covid 19 and similar? do you have a source for that?
So "your country" has vaccinated a lot more of your population. Good for you, you're doing it right.
Good question, asked without aggression towards me, thank you. I'm saying if we need to put 76 billion land animals on antibiotics 24/7 and keep too many of them crowded up in the same place that this is the breeding ground for viruses like the African Swine Flu which killed almost half of all pigs on the planet in 2019. If such a potent virus ever jumps over to us humans, less lethal versions have many times before, then it's game over for humanity... 50% death rate vs 0,02% death rate... therefore not having that many animals is the only reasonable prevention. And the only way to do that is going mainly plant based.
yes or no, are you saying that a scientist was assassinated to cover up some sort of covid hoax?
i don’t have that kind of time. every single thing you typed was either nonsense or misinformation. there aren’t really any facts there at all
or perhaps we could advocate for healthier conditions for raising animals. humans are designed to eat animals, although i agree there could be better stewardship.
Or you could just choose with your wallet. This is a form of advocation.
You can buy plenty of meat, eggs, fish that has been raised without antibiotics, fed a clean natural diet, and raised in a natural, healthy, happy ways.
Vital farms makes some great quality eggs from chickens given at least 100+ sq ft of outdoor space to roam in the sun, eat naturally, and even have live feed links on each carton so you can see the farm and conditions of where your eggs were hatched. They also really care about their customers, and take feedback very well.
among other things, you can strictly buy only pasture raised meat (versus grass fed only, which is typically just fed grass indoors