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In the second display that goes gray you can have a second full screen app.

No you can't, that's the whole problem. A number of people have said this but I think they have misunderstood something they read.
 
Someone posted above about Lion being a laggy and buggy mess and I must admit that was my first impression on upgrading to Lion. I subsequently upgraded to the first Mountain Lion preview and was similarly unimpressed by performance. I then performed a clean install on a later preview build and my machine and ML are transformed.

I've never had to do this with previous version of OSX but for some reason the upgrade from SL to Lion and then to ML was not a success. The system worked but boy was it laggy.

Having clean installed ML I can say that it runs very very well and Safari really is snappier. Any performance criticisms of Lion I had are out of the window and ML really is a great update. Not revolutionary but evolutionary with some great new features that really add to the experience. In fact the only function still seems incongruous and unnecessary is Launchpad. Maybe it will make sense when Apple launches a touch screen Mac but right now I don't use it and can't think if a use for it.
 
That's one thing I like about Microsoft, they invite everybody to the beta party.
 
Will AirPlay Mirroring support any type of video that I'm playing on my Mac?

I have no idea, but it should, after all it's basically whatever is on screen. The only problem I can think of would be DRM'd material.
 
The ability to fix last minute bugs and shorter lead times. Another nice benefit of digital delivery systems like the Mac App Store. :)

Well, apart from real show-stopper issues, the need to have the release absolutely spit-shine perfect is largely mitigated by the software update system. In the past, there was not too much time between the release of the .0 on DVD and the .1 software update, because the latter usually consisted of things found after the GM went to press but before they hit the stores.
 
Anybody knows why DP4 fails to boot with OCZ Octane SSD (but boots OK in Safe mode)? Apple did not respond on bugreport, OCZ don't want to deal with this issue too.
 
Someone posted above about Lion being a laggy and buggy mess and I must admit that was my first impression on upgrading to Lion. I subsequently upgraded to the first Mountain Lion preview and was similarly unimpressed by performance. I then performed a clean install on a later preview build and my machine and ML are transformed.

I've never had to do this with previous version of OSX but for some reason the upgrade from SL to Lion and then to ML was not a success. The system worked but boy was it laggy.

Having clean installed ML I can say that it runs very very well and Safari really is snappier. Any performance criticisms of Lion I had are out of the window and ML really is a great update. Not revolutionary but evolutionary with some great new features that really add to the experience. In fact the only function still seems incongruous and unnecessary is Launchpad. Maybe it will make sense when Apple launches a touch screen Mac but right now I don't use it and can't think if a use for it.

Thanks for sharing. It seems that may indeed be my next recourse but I haven't had to do that since the Windoze days. This is my main work Mac so reinstalling from scratch is a huge deal (as in lost days of productivity which I cannot afford at the moment). Perhaps the time to do it is when I upgrade to ML. Your personal account is encouraging.

Even if I do install from scratch, I remain cynical. I have to question the way Lion manages RAM. It pages constantly and needlessly. I have 8 GB of RAM and it is not well utilized. I used to be able to run multiple applications with ease on Snow Leopard. I'd brag to my friends how awesomely fast and stable my Mac was. I'm no longer bragging. Instead now I'm constantly presented with the spinning beach ball. I monitor my memory like I used to way back when I used a PC. Mail apparently has a memory leak as I need to quit and restart the app periodically. Even native apps like the App Store crash randomly.

And there are irritating bugs in Launchpad and Mission Control that as of 10.7.4 have not been fixed. It sure seems like Apple is getting sloppy. Snow Leopard was a labor of love. Lion feels like a prototype rushed out the door before it was ready for primetime.

Also I don't understand the people who vote you down on this site whenever you criticize Apple. I love Apple. I spend several thousands of dollars on Apple. I think I'm entitled to speak my mind. Is this not a forum for discussion or are we all just Apple zombies?
 
Thanks for sharing. It seems that may indeed be my next recourse but I haven't had to do that since the Windoze days. This is my main work Mac so reinstalling from scratch is a huge deal (as in lost days of productivity which I cannot afford at the moment). Perhaps the time to do it is when I upgrade to ML. Your personal account is encouraging.

Even if I do install from scratch, I remain cynical. I have to question the way Lion manages RAM. It pages constantly and needlessly. I have 8 GB of RAM and it is not well utilized. I used to be able to run multiple applications with ease on Snow Leopard. I'd brag to my friends how awesomely fast and stable my Mac was. I'm no longer bragging. Instead now I'm constantly presented with the spinning beach ball. I monitor my memory like I used to way back when I used a PC. Mail apparently has a memory leak as I need to quit and restart the app periodically. Even native apps like the App Store crash randomly.

And there are irritating bugs in Launchpad and Mission Control that as of 10.7.4 have not been fixed. It sure seems like Apple is getting sloppy. Snow Leopard was a labor of love. Lion feels like a prototype rushed out the door before it was ready for primetime.

Also I don't understand the people who vote you down on this site whenever you criticize Apple. I love Apple. I spend several thousands of dollars on Apple. I think I'm entitled to speak my mind. Is this not a forum for discussion or are we all just Apple zombies?
Agree with you. I spent more than $10000. And Apple just don't fix bugs for years. Years, man. It's really long. All Applefunboys are just fan boys, like teamgirls from school baseball team. They never file a bugreport and don't know how it is hard to deal with Apple in case of bugs. Lion is a bad OS, agree. ML much better. I hope they will fix my DP4 problem soon.
 
Maybe this means we'll see Mountain Lion on the 1st of July?
Highly unlikely.

Each new major release of OS X is immediately preceded by a flurry of developer-only beta releases, with a decreasing number of outstanding issues before the actual release.

We have yet to see that increased frequency of beta releases for OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion. Moreover, July 1 is a Sunday and I don't ever recall Apple releasing any major piece of software on a weekend.

Only after a few weeks of rather frequent beta releases would it be reasonable to speculate on a release date.
 
I'm using the latest developer build and trust me, they are going to have to work until the last second to ship this. It's got too many bugs.
 
Also I don't understand the people who vote you down on this site whenever you criticize Apple. I love Apple. I spend several thousands of dollars on Apple. I think I'm entitled to speak my mind. Is this not a forum for discussion or are we all just Apple zombies?
People vote you down when they think your criticism is specious, or mean-spirited, or when they think you're just whining.

If they agree with your criticism, they vote you up.

The post about how the full-screen apps work (or seemingly don't) on external monitors, has been upranked by several people.
 
So regular employees now serve as beta testers as well?

Not exactly 'regular' employees. These are the tech support and trainers not the sales staff. Which makes sense because they will have to be able to support the version as soon as it comes out.

What I find interesting is that there's no mention of the Family Room Specialists in this group. From what I have been told they do training, workshops etc as much as the Creatives do and in particular are dealing with the beginner level classes (unlike Creatives who do the ilife, iWork and pro apps). They have just as much need to know the software right off but it looks like they aren't included.

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I really hope there is one Apple employee out there who can feedback the dual screening issue with fullscreen apps that is currently such a bane in Lion.

"Such a bane". to you sure. But to a mass number of folks likely not. Only a small cut of folks would ever think to try to full screen an app on only one of a multi display set up. So there probably won't be a 'fix' because it really isn't a major issue in the sense that it is something that affects the majority. Not like say if there was a problem syncing with iCloud, or Safari freezing up, or iTunes crashing.
 
Does anyone know if 'Documents in the Cloud' supports any type of folder option,

You can already do that in Pages for iOS so I would assume that the same will be in the new Pages for Mac OS. That said it's likely an item that has be coded into the app/application just like iCloud support. So not all will have it written in
 
I have no idea, but it should, after all it's basically whatever is on screen. The only problem I can think of would be DRM'd material.

Drm protected material would be displayed only on the tv. On your computers display a blank void would be shown.
 
One thing I useD often was textedit. Launch it quickly, make a note and that's it....in Lion. In ML, I have an additional step that doesn't really interfere, but it's no longer a quick hop in and out. I had to find something else I can hop in and out of quickly with no step except launch. There also doesn't seem to be an option to tell it to always start with a new document. Annoying.
 

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