Who's saying that? I'm running El Cap on a 2010 Core2Duo MBP with a SATA2 SSD blazing fast.
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Before upgrading go read the reviews of El Crappy in the AppStore. They will make your hair stand up.I run El Capitan on a 2008 MBP 17". Put in max possible memory and replaced the DVD drive with an SSD.
If you do that it runs as if it is a new machine. Don't miss the DVD part, as I don't use discs anymore.
If you leave the HD in AND install an SSD, you can put all the DVD stuff onto that drive.
I like all the possible connection ports and the fact I can tinker in it.
Note: Had a motherboard failure, which was repaired for apr. $ 350 (Depot charge) at an Apple store.
All well worth it.
So, almost 8 years old and still going strong.
I also have a 15" MBP 2014 (ebay used), which is a little faster, but not enough to ditch my 2008 MBP workhorse.
Annoying with the new MBPs is the lack of ports and I had to buy an OWC dock. (BTW: The best there is, it has EVERYTHING!) Waiting for OWC to come out with a 1MB SSD since forever. Oh well.
So, if I were you, I'd upgrade that 2012 and go to El Capitan. If you MUST have that DVD option, just replace the HD with an SSD.
I don't know what you do, but there are more positive things about El Capitan than the naysayers give it credit for. I don't expect perfection in anything and for me Apple is working on making it better and better, small hickups on the way expected.
The whole consumer market is a bit slow now and there is signs of saturation among the Asian markets.
Agreed. On my old plan I paid AT&T $100 (approx.) for the data and $40 per month for each smartphone on my plan.
Now I pay $100 for the data and $15 per month for each smartphone, plus $25 a month for the next two years for the one iPhone I upgraded since then. I now have an incentive ($25/mo.per phone) to not upgrade until absolutely necessary.
There's no way that this can't have a negative impact on smartphone sales, including the iPhone.
Doesn't everyone who want an iPhone have one at this point? You can't expect people to keep upgrading every year. I was fine with my 6 and planned on skipping the 7 cycle. But then I cracked my phone and insurance upgraded me to the 6s. My phone is fully paid for so I think I'm going to skip the next few generations until Apple "forces" us with some IOS update that breaks things.
We haven't seen the fallout yet, people don't even know that phones are no longer subsidized. Are you going to buy your kids a $1,000 every year? I know I'm not and we are well into the upper middle class and could if we chose to be reckless. Family of 5 forget about it. Can't imagine a college kid with that kinda cash, nor can I see a parent co signing for them to get a credit car.
I expect to see cheaper Driods change this mess and I'd bet big on them.
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The problem was under the old plan even when you paid off the 2 yr contract the actual bill never went down - even when you didn't get a new "upgrade." So at least now they are being more honest about it and once you pay your phone off if you keep it for another 2 or 3 years it becomes "worth it." I paid my phone off early and it's nice seeing the $46 "savings." And now that I'm in Yr 3 it truly is a savings and insurance upgraded my phone to an 6s for free. So for the next few years it's all "gravy" for me.
The problem was under the old plan even when you paid off the 2 yr contract the actual bill never went down - even when you didn't get a new "upgrade." So at least now they are being more honest about it and once you pay your phone off if you keep it for another 2 or 3 years it becomes "worth it." I paid my phone off early and it's nice seeing the $46 "savings." And now that I'm in Yr 3 it truly is a savings and insurance upgraded my phone to an 6s for free. So for the next few years it's all "gravy" for me.
Once someone notices what "just works" for generation of profits, it naturally enough gets harder to maintain as time goes on and the copycats emerge with cheaper knockoffs that "sorta work". I don't think Tim Cook has forgotten about functionality or quality either, and certainly not about customer service.
There are bound to be hardware / software messups, and there can be some big ones, but on balance I'll still look to Apple for my gear and apps before turning elsewhere. My Macs been problem-free since a number of irritating go-arounds with a 2010 MBP awhile back but even that was all covered by Apple Care.
My iPhones have all worked great except for my first 4S that had to be turned around for poor call quality, and I still use two older phones as WiFi devices around the house. I don't take getting a defective product out of the box as sign of impending doom, I just call customer service and get it sorted out, which Apple's excellent at getting done.
As far as software preference goes ( app design, the look of the thing), to each his own, but I find I often like the look of a previous version better until I get used to the newer one... human nature, I guess. We can resist even good changes sometimes. I dislike having to learn new shortcuts but as long as they're there, I don't mind. Subtracting features (separate download window in iTunes on Mac) still does annoy me, however, since it suggests effort to simplify OS X too much towards iOS; to me those need to remain distinct else the power of OS X will diminish and ultimately vanish.
Thanks for that post, those are sensible goals for me now -- and for all, I didn't mean to hijack thread away from phones with my complaint about my aging laptop and dithering attitudes towards newer OS X releases.
This. If there is one overriding complaint that has continued over every version of the iPhone it is that the battery life needs to be improved. Meanwhile virtually nobody looks at the iPhone 6 and says "this is too thick!" But what is supposedly planned for the iPhone 7? Thinner than before and the same mediocre battery life (and perhaps the loss of the headphone jack).
That's my problem. I never read AppStore reviews, jump right in and love it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/osx/comments/3tm9gw/el_capitan_app_store_reviews_dafuq/
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I am one of those 60% that hasn't upgraded. It's the longest I've gone without upgrading iPhones. I don't like the large size of the 6s. I've been holding onto my 5s. I really hope they release a 4" screen size with the A9 and other top of the line features.
Absolutely not. I could use three more iPhones, two to replace old dumbphones in the family, but not at 854,96 € for each iPhone 6s with 64GB. Maybe if the iPhone 7 can cure cancer, until then I hold out.
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Sure.
That sounds awful!
A lower price could open mine.
Personally I think the new iPhone 6S was a flop, if you upgraded what did you really get that was different from the iPhone 6?
3D Touch? To me this is a software gimmick, its nothing but a long press. You didn't need new hardware for this and if you jailbroke your old phone it could do it just as well. While the did redesign the vibration motor inside for the 6S if you have a 6 and jailbreak you can still "feel" it I consider 3D Touch a software gimmick.
Live Photos? How many of you with 6S's tried it once and said it was neat and never used it again. (Probably a good majority of you reading this) again here we have another software gimmick as if you Jailbroke your phone guess what... Live Photos works.
Better camera? They claim its a better camera yet so many sites have done tests and have shown that the old iPhone 6 Camera is as good if not slightly better than the 6S camera.
4K Video? Oh great your iPhone now can shoot 4K video great! Wait how do I watch the 4K Video I shot in 4K? I got it I will watch it in 4K on my new Apple TV! Wait what the new Apple TV does not support 4K? You can't even watch in full resolution on your phone. And I have seen some people wondering why they can only shoot a few minutes of 4K video on their 16 GB iPhone... hmm let me think about that one... no wait you will figure that one out.
Faster Wifi? My Wifi Speeds on my iPhone 6 Plus are already good now, and in speed testings I can get around 150 mb/s on my home cable modem service. How much faster do you want on your phone?
Faster CPU? Really? It may be faster but honestly is Angry Birds any faster or better on that Faster CPU?
I will be honest I purchased TWO iPhone 6s + Phones... and within a week guess what i did with them... I returned them! Why? Honestly I could do everything on my old iPhone 6 Plus phones. After a day of using it didn't feel like using a new phone, it felt like my old iPhone 6. Also there was no cool factor like in the past when you purchase a new iPhone, no one said to me hey is that the new iPhone S plus? So after all of that I said to myself since I feel like I am using my iPhone 6 Plus why not return the two iPhone 6S Plus I purchased and saved myself almost $2,000.
I am just as happy today using my iPhone 6+ as I was with the iPhone 6S +, and my wallet feels better.
With the iPhone 6S + for me there was nothing gained in upgrading. And looking at the poor sales and declining sales, I am guessing I am not the only one who felt that way.
Like every Apple fan, I am excited to see what the iPhone 7 brings. I would hope that we see a new updated design and some new technology that has me saying I want one of those, Apple take my money! But I am fearing the new iPhone 7 will look just like the 6 and the new features will be nothing to make me want to open my wallet again.
I hope Jony Ive has some good tricks up his sleeve for what should be a new milestone phone. If he does then I am willing to open my wallet again.
Lets hope innovation is not a lost art.
3D Touch? To me this is a software gimmick, its nothing but a long press. You didn't need new hardware for this and if you jailbroke your old phone it could do it just as well. While the did redesign the vibration motor inside for the 6S if you have a 6 and jailbreak you can still "feel" it I consider 3D Touch a software gimmick.
Live Photos? How many of you with 6S's tried it once and said it was neat and never used it again. (Probably a good majority of you reading this) again here we have another software gimmick as if you Jailbroke your phone guess what... Live Photos works.
Better camera? They claim its a better camera yet so many sites have done tests and have shown that the old iPhone 6 Camera is as good if not slightly better than the 6S camera.
4K Video? Oh great your iPhone now can shoot 4K video great! Wait how do I watch the 4K Video I shot in 4K? I got it I will watch it in 4K on my new Apple TV! Wait what the new Apple TV does not support 4K? You can't even watch in full resolution on your phone. And I have seen some people wondering why they can only shoot a few minutes of 4K video on their 16 GB iPhone... hmm let me think about that one... no wait you will figure that one out.
Faster Wifi? My Wifi Speeds on my iPhone 6 Plus are already good now, and in speed testings I can get around 150 mb/s on my home cable modem service. How much faster do you want on your phone?
Faster CPU? Really? It may be faster but honestly is Angry Birds any faster or better on that Faster CPU?
I will be honest I purchased TWO iPhone 6s + Phones... and within a week guess what i did with them... I returned them! Why? Honestly I could do everything on my old iPhone 6 Plus phones. After a day of using it didn't feel like using a new phone, it felt like my old iPhone 6. Also there was no cool factor like in the past when you purchase a new iPhone, no one said to me hey is that the new iPhone S plus? So after all of that I said to myself since I feel like I am using my iPhone 6 Plus why not return the two iPhone 6S Plus I purchased and saved myself almost $2,000.
I am just as happy today using my iPhone 6+ as I was with the iPhone 6S +, and my wallet feels better.
With the iPhone 6S + for me there was nothing gained in upgrading. And looking at the poor sales and declining sales, I am guessing I am not the only one who felt that way.
Like every Apple fan, I am excited to see what the iPhone 7 brings. I would hope that we see a new updated design and some new technology that has me saying I want one of those, Apple take my money! But I am fearing the new iPhone 7 will look just like the 6 and the new features will be nothing to make me want to open my wallet again.
I hope Jony Ive has some good tricks up his sleeve for what should be a new milestone phone. If he does then I am willing to open my wallet again.
Lets hope innovation is not a lost art.
iphone 6 is insanely big, I had to replace my Nexus this week and went with a 5s because the 6's size was ridiculous. I'll take the size of the 5s over the speed and newness of the 6.
Well actually Apple just announced that there are a BILLION iOS devices in active use!!! Crazy!!! And since they just sold their billionth iOS device last spring I think, that means most of their devices are still being used which is crazy.
Why would they gasp? The new price they see in the US is "$0" for the 16, 64 and 128.
The installment plans have helped the carriers make sales on smartphones in a big way.
True, however, with carrier subsidies disappearing or already gone, consumers more and more have to weigh the full cost of the device instead of ways that were previously more obscure. For some, perhaps many (who knows?), a competitor's device that does the bulk or everything they need at a substantial fraction of the price might become more attractive.
People on these boards are not representative of the masses who just need a device. The masses don't really give a flying fadoo about the things argued passionately on tech blogs.
Yah maybe 8GB RAM and HD is what makes it dicier. I need to ditch the hard drive for sure.
What kind of specs do you have in it? Unless it's seriously constrained on RAM and/or uses a spinning hard disk, I don't see why El Capitan wouldn't run on it. I use a 2011 Mac mini with 8GB of RAM and an SSD and El Cap runs just fine on it. In addition, my wife uses a 2008 aluminum MacBook (that rare aluminum non-pro one) with 8GB, SSD, and El Capitan and she complains only about Apple changing stuff (iPhoto vs Photos), not performance. My work computer is a maxed-out mid 2014 retina MBP, and while it is naturally faster than my mini, it's not making the mini feel too slow. So for security concerns alone (Apple's not doing a stellar job with backporting security fixes), I'd update that MBP to El Cap.
Fair enough, you follow the reports closer than I do, so fair enough about the supply.
The strength of the dollar has not helped, when I was in Australia the price from the 6 to 6s went up about 20%