To be clear I'm not seeing that argument here very often. Far from it. Apple has been around long enough to set a high bar for itself. In 20 years we've witnessed what their brilliance, properly brought to bear on technology, can yield. People love the products but know, based on experience, they could be better than the current leadership allows for. Why should those people who are arguably Apple's longest-standing advocates sit down and be quiet? You're saying that group shouldn't have a voice or seat at the table and settle for some lesser thing in service of what exactly? Not pointing out flaws? Being dissatisfied with the present state of affairs when compared to a long and wondrous history filled with the best that technology can be? People around long enough, with a view to the long game want Apple to be better. They suck right now and still manage to be the best, imagine what they could do with better leadership and without all these self- owns. This situation is all sorts of shades of grey, and not the black and white you make it out to be