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And that's their choice.
No they lack agency, so it is not a choice, is it? ;)
Presumably being happy with Apple and what they produce. It's doesn't necessarily mean they're accepting blindly. More likely they're happy customers and like to use Apple products and the value they offer, compared to Apple competitors. As are many of Apple's 1+ Billion active and repeat customers who continue to purchase Apple products. Year after year after year.
Remember you brought up agency in the first place.
Lack of agency, I’m guessing.
Only difference is you are defending those that could have a power 'controling' them, namely Apple(Speak). I don't think anyone here lacks agency per se. Maybe reflection could be more prevalent, though.
 
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Remember you brought up agency in the first place.

Yes, but we're considering two different groups of people.

Those that are perpetually unhappy with Apple products, going back 20 years. Yet for some reason can't move forward purchasing superior competitor products.

And those that are delighted with Apple products and continue to purchase them.
 
Those that are perpetually unhappy with Apple products, going back 20 years. Yet for some reason can't move forward with superior competitor products.

You understand someone can still be unhappy while buying the superior product, right? Perfection is an impossibility.

One could argue that the iPhone is the superior product and that it could be better still. These qualities are not exclusive.
 
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You understand someone can still be unhappy while buying the superior product, right? Perfection is an impossibility.

One could argue that the iPhone is the superior product and that it could be better still. These qualities are not exclusive.
Exactly. I love Apple, and I see a decline worth pointing out. They can be and, more importantly, have been better than this. Does that mean I'm no longer allowed to own my Macs, iPhone and AVP? Apparently some here seem to think so
 
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You understand someone can still be unhappy while buying the superior product, right? Perfection is an impossibility.

One could argue that the iPhone is the superior product and that it could be better still. These qualities are not exclusive.

Sure. But being perpetually unhappy with Apple products for 10-20 years unable to make the jump to what they believe is a better set of products, seems odd.

Yes, perfection is elusive/impossible in many situations.
 
Yes, but we're considering two different groups of people.

Those that are perpetually unhappy with Apple products, going back 20 years. Yet for some reason can't move forward purchasing superior competitor products.

And those that are delighted with Apple products and continue to purchase them.
I am flabbergasted haha, are you answering with Apple Intelligence or something?

Anyway, I have covered this already:
As always, one doesn't decide Android or iOS on the basis of a single criteria.
Also, there is no real choice. Both options are inferior, just one is also inferiour to the other.
 
Sure. But being perpetually unhappy with Apple products for 10-20 years unable to make the jump to what they believe is a better set of products, seems odd.

Yes, perfection is elusive/impossible.
To be clear I'm not seeing that argument here very often. Far from it. Apple has been around long enough to set a high bar for itself. In 20 years we've witnessed what their brilliance, properly brought to bear on technology, can yield. People love the products but know, based on experience, they could be better than the current leadership allows for. Why should those people who are arguably Apple's longest-standing advocates sit down and be quiet? You're saying that group shouldn't have a voice or seat at the table and settle for some lesser thing in service of what exactly? Not pointing out flaws? Being dissatisfied with the present state of affairs when compared to a long and wondrous history filled with the best that technology can be? People around long enough, with a view to the long game want Apple to be better. They suck right now and still manage to be the best, imagine what they could do with better leadership and without all these self- owns. This situation is all sorts of shades of grey, and not the black and white you make it out to be
 
If side loading was my main criteria….
If my criteria was getting a sandwhich, but I'd have to break my legs for it, I am choosing the alternative. Personally, I don't have a main criterion, I have a range of criteria.
 
To be clear I'm not seeing that argument here very often. Far from it. Apple has been around long enough to set a high bar for itself. In 20 years we've witnessed what their brilliance, properly brought to bear on technology, can yield. People love the products but know, based on experience, they could be better than the current leadership allows for. Why should those people who are arguably Apple's longest-standing advocates sit down and be quiet? You're saying that group shouldn't have a voice or seat at the table and settle for some lesser thing in service of what exactly? Not pointing out flaws? Being dissatisfied with the present state of affairs when compared to a long and wondrous history filled with the best that technology can be? People around long enough, with a view to the long game want Apple to be better. They suck right now and still manage to be the best, imagine what they could do with better leadership and without all these self- owns. This situation is all sorts of shades of grey, and not the black and white you make it out to be

You're injecting *far more* than what I'm saying.
 
Anybody else click expecting the big number to be their cut from sales?
 
Apple still needs to decouple system-level apps like Safari so they can be updated more often. But that would create more work for them... Guess it's not happening because it doesn't deliver shareholder value and it's not some new sexy thing they can analyze ASP for
They tried that already. Remember Rapid Security Responses? They must have coded themselves into a corner because they only tried it twice (the first was pulled and they had to re-release).
 
They tried that already. Remember Rapid Security Responses? They must have coded themselves into a corner because they only tried it twice (the first was pulled and they had to re-release).

Which is funny to me because the other platform had this system app decoupling thing figured out what, over a decade ago? Ah wait, I should refrain from comparisons because I'll be told to switch since I'm clearly miserable.

There's a lot Apple could be improving and adding. It's clear to anyone with a brain that they're complacent. I would be too if I had so many people coming to my defense every time there's criticism.
 
What your criterion are is not what mine are, which is the point. Can’t dismiss my hypothetical criteria.
The beautiful thing about options, is you don’t have to care a flying flippo about my criteria (I know you don't care anyhow, otherwise you'd understood by now why, for me and others, it is not just simply choosing one over the other solely on the basis of app store freedom).

I want to irritate:
[T]hat line of reasoning is how fascism or autocracies establish, we have to consider the rights and voices of minorities as much as majorities. I am aware this is not a perfect analogy, but smartphones have become essential to modern life, and our governments should require OS providers to give people the right to make reasonable choices on the platform they provide.
Anyway, soon enough, I predict, more governments are going to implement regulation similar to the DMA. You see Japan and the UK discussing it, Brazil forcing Apple to sideloading (if I remember correctly). Let me also add that Apple is laying at the feet of the CCP as well.
 
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