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Google Maps is [redacted] where I live. There used to be an access road to the main road from London. It was closed to anything larger than a solo motorcycle in 2003/04. Yet, and despite reporting it to Google it is still shown as a through road instead of a dead end with nowhere to turn a car let alone a large commercial vehicle. It is shown correctly on Apple Maps.
That happened in a former employer when we moved into large new premises, they showed up fairly quickly on Apple Maps but took a lot of time to get integrated into Google. I was tasked with communicating to Google - what a hassle.
 
It would remove web search from Apple devices, and it WILL slow down development of Safari. That includes improvements to security and privacy. Same thing will happen to FireFox as well.

No it wouldn’t. Worst case scenario is users get a splash during set up asking them pick a default search engine. Most people will pick Google even then.

Apple just wants to keep its $20 billion pay cheque.
 
This is the part I really like:

  • In order to create a "viable" search engine business, Apple would be required to "sell targeted advertising," which is "not a core business" for the company and would go against its "longstanding privacy commitments."
It is perfect for a sitcom episode...

... Imagine the older grandpa lying about his past, memories of huge wars, and in between that buzz-marketing-pr sentence...

... so funny!
 
cue's written words seem to me to be legally crafted only for the purpose of defending apple against fallout from apple participating in granting google dominance in search on apple devices.

that, or, just simply an admission that apple missed three huge tech waves:
search
maps
AI.
Its also pretty obvious why they don't want to do search. If someone is paying you $20 billion a year to not do something, and it would cost you tens of billions to do the thing you're being paid to not do, why would you possibly do it?

Apple has tried and failed to get into the ad space, which is where the money from being a search engine comes from. Losing $20 billion a year plus the costs to develop your own product, on top of limited possibilities for revenue generation is a non starter for any business
 
AI will replace search engines soon.

Search engines will just transition to AI....if they show (and link) the source, each and every time.

I really hope the worthless "natural language" bloviation that is the current thing doesn't become the only option. Just show me what I ask for without the additional useless chatter, by default.
 
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I laughed at this part:

“If the agreement can no longer continue, Cue said “it would hamstring Apple's ability to continue delivering products that best serve its users' needs."

I think Apple will survive without it lol
As a corporation, they could, but many would lose their jobs.

Are you paying attention to what you're typing? That's $20 billion worth of business! That's far beyond any trifle!
 
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Search engines will just transition to AI.

I really hope the worthless "natural language" bloviation that is the current thing doesn't become the only option. Just show me what I ask for without the additional useless chatter, by default.
Why are you differentiating AI and search engine ? AI is a basket where a search engine is still needed
 
I've never understood why they can't just mollify any of these anti-trust lawsuits by just asking the user what search engine they want on initial device setup. Just have a randomly ordered list of the top search engines that are generally used.

I do: 20 billion dollars. Apple’s first and foremost interest (as any other company) is revenue. This is liquid cash for them, it costs them no maintenance, development or anything.
 
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Apple could just buy duck duck go and make it good, or at least make it a safe barrier to Google results and services.
 
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Search engine? If Siri (or Apple Intelligence) ever supports retrieval-augmented generating, they won't even need a search engine. 👀
 
I disagree. It very much is a political issue, especially in the United States, where one party has traditionally pushed for laissez-faire capitalism and the other for a more active role of government in regulating businesses and the economy. Let's not forget that anti-trust laws are subject to political processes and do change. In fact, the Internet Bubble and then the Great Recession were in large parts due to the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act.
Every law is a completion of the political process. Every. Single. One.

By your reasoning, any time there is a legal issue discussed, it must be tossed into the politics section.
 
Every law is a completion of the political process. Every. Single. One.

The completion of a political process and the start of a completely new one.

Laws are interpreted by courts and enforced by the DOJ through the current political lens of every single authority and citizen. Roe v. Wade was settled law for 50 years, then it was overturned by a court with a different political view. The same constitution, different politics applying it, radically different outcomes. The same holds true for anti-trust cases. The coming Trump administration is expected to alter course on many of the anti-trust cases being currently pursued, including dialing back any requests to break up Alphabet. That is ALL politics.

By your reasoning, any time there is a legal issue discussed, it must be tossed into the politics section.

I think that would be a wise thing to do. The world isn't tidy and politics doesn't go away merely because you think it should.
 
cue's written words seem to me to be legally crafted only for the purpose of defending apple against fallout from apple participating in granting google dominance in search on apple devices.

that, or, just simply an admission that apple missed three huge tech waves:
search
maps
AI.
No. Apple's emphasis on privacy and on building products rather than scraping users' personal data for profit means Apple doing it's own search is a nonstarter. Just like Cue said.
 
The completion of a political process and the start of a completely new one.

Laws are interpreted by courts and enforced by the DOJ through the current political lens of every single authority and citizen. Roe v. Wade was settled law for 50 years, then it was overturned by a court with a different political view. The same constitution, different politics applying it, radically different outcomes. The same holds true for anti-trust cases. The coming Trump administration is expected to alter course on many of the anti-trust cases being currently pursued, including dialing back any requests to break up Alphabet. That is ALL politics.



I think that would be a wise thing to do. The world isn't tidy and politics doesn't go away merely because you think it should.
"The same constitution, different politics applying it, radically different outcomes."

This is comically absurd. I've been practicing law for more than 20 years and I understand this Court well.

The only political operatives are those on the left.

If you want proof, look at every decision from every term in the past, oh, 7 or 8 years, and look at who was in the majority and who was in the minority.

What you will see is the leftward justices all vote as a block--not always, but close enough to be a sure thing you would be comfortable betting real money on it.

The "conservatives" on the other hand, can be seen siding with the left far more than vice-versa.

It's how you got John Roberts and Neil Gorsuch to write opinions that drive political conservatives insane.

But when you follow what the Constitution actually says, you don't vote in blocks, because the outcome is not important.

The process of how you got there is what drives the so called "Conservative" justices.

It's why you saw Scalia side with the political left far more often than is reported, authoring ground breaking "liberal" opinions on issues like the First Amendment and a particularly famous Confrontation Clause case.
 
Than there is this on the horizon: TruthGPT
Any search engine from sicko [but very smart] Musk needs to be challenged hard. The verbiage found at the link is clearly nonsense, typical lies from the right wing: motherhood and apple pie with zero discussion of how the search engine pays for itself and makes more $billions for Musk [and also Trump of course, who will suspend law to allow such a new venture to grow without legal boundaries]. No doubt data gets sold, perhaps even to nation states.
 
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