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Beware: Apple Defense Militia engaging. Term 'overblown' is their weapon of choice this time.
You're "conveniently" overlooking that most of these people were replying to someone who asked an either/or question where the two choices were "big problem" or "overblown" (actually, the question was asked by the first person you quoted out of context). That is why the word "overblown" is getting used repeatedly. But I understand that there's more for you to get outraged about if you ignore that detail. And there is no "Apple Defense Militia" (or if there is, they've never approached me about joining). But that tinfoil hat does look quite fetch on you.

Apple took one of the few reasonable technical approaches to the problem (one which they partially created by favoring thinner phones over larger batteries - the other part of the blame goes to the current state of the art in battery chemistry: if you have a solution for that, a lot of big companies would love to talk to you). Apple screwed up big time by not talking about this more when they implemented the changes. They are now rolling out the support (visible battery monitoring features in the OS) that they should have done back when this first became a thing.
 
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EXACTLY. This is NOT overblown. Everyone on this forum damn well knows how much Apple loves to tout its chip speeds in its advertising. The fact that Apple deliberately slowed down those same chips UNBEKNOWNST TO THE USER to ALLEGEDLY make up for bad battery life is a really, really big deal. Especially since the decision was more likely to increase iPhone sales via planned obsolescence.

It's not "overblown" just because you don't think it's that big of a deal.
 
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Somewhat overblown. Every phone has the issue of unexpected shutdowns so this isn't unique to iPhones. How the issue was handled is what people are/should be complaining about, which is Apple not being transparent enough.

I wholeheartedly believe people would rather have a slow phone than a phone that shuts down unexpectedly, but people need to know why this is happening. They also need to know that replacing the battery will bring performance back to normal levels.

Well, it has been unique to iPhones until the 6S model, as far as I remember.
I've had an iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, a very old second iPhone 4S, an iPhone 5S and my current iPhone SE, and none of them has had any shutdown issue. My current SE is a year and a half old, is still on iOS 10.2 (prior to all the fixes and slowdowns) and is rock solid, fast and with no shutdowns at all. Maybe the issue is with the newer designs / newer iOS versions? I don't know, but if I'm not experiencing shutdowns Apple shouldn't slow down my phone.

This only reflects some kind of issue in the power management of the system, and it seems it is more or less adressed with the A11 Bionic, with its second generation power management.
 
Apple has made batteries 29$ for repair no matter the circumstance and is going to allow you to turn this helpful feature off in 11.3. Apple has owned up to it, and they are dealing with the problem in a good way.

Its just way too overblown at this point.

Also the amount of people I have had to explain what this feature is for is ridiculous. YouTubers and News outlets could quit using “APPLE IS SLOWING DOWN YOUR IPHONE” as a title. Shame on Apple for trying to prevent your iPhone from shutting down randomly!

Apple got exposed and caught! They never said a THING ABOUT THIS TILL THEY WERE EXPOSED!
Stop making excuses for them. It’s not overblown in the slightest.
 
It appears you don't truly understand the issue here, what Apple has done to avoid the problem, what is causing the shutdown, or the entire situation. But carry on telling yourself you're correct if it makes you feel better.
What's obvious is your obstinate take on the situation. Multiple people have rationally explained the situation to you on multiple occasions over multiple threads yet you trot out that tired line from Apple regarding battery degradation over time. For someone who has occasionally insightful posts, you are bewilderingly hanging on to that lame explanation from Apple as if it has some validity. But as you say, if it makes you feel better...
 
I don't own an iPhone currently. Is the way this was handled a big issue for current owners, or is it a blip of a problem that's being overblown?

Put it this way, over a year ago Apple installed an iOS update on the iPhone 6 and 6S that deliberately and constantly slowed down devices, they based it on apparent battery degradation, the users took their iPhones to the Apple genius bars in the Apple stores, in their the Apple technicians tested their phones batteries with Apples diagnostics programmes and advised these people there was nothing wrong with their batteries, yet the iOS update was throttling their phones because of apparent battery degradation...
Apple would refuse to replace a phones battery even if people offered to pay for it.

And a fair few people bought new iPhones, some as advised by Apple staff who tested their iPhones batteries, to resolve their issues.

So do you think it was overblown? Millions and millions of iPhone users globally had their devices purposely throttled and didn’t know a thing about it and Apple never told anyone about it, until they were exposed on Reddit.

Oh and it’s not battery degradation, it’s an inherent design flaw, because I have in over 20 odd years of owning different battery powered gadgets, including several from Apple, NEVER had one shut down even though it’s battery level was at 20 or 30% charge. Never.

Now I own an iPhone 6S, and will probably buy the X, but I also want Apple to learn from this mistake and so the investigations will do that. They do need to be reconciled for what they did.
 
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Apple got exposed and caught! They never said a THING ABOUT THIS TILL THEY WERE EXPOSED!
Stop making excuses for them. It’s not overblown in the slightest.
There was no way that Apple was not going to get caught. That's what makes this hard to believe. Apple was clumsy in the way that it released this solution, but it was going to be discovered quite quickly. Apple could not have thought otherwise.
 
There was no way that Apple was not going to get caught. That's what makes this hard to believe. Apple was clumsy in the way that it released this solution, but it was going to be discovered quite quickly. Apple could not have thought otherwise.

you say that but they still managed to hide it for over a year. I mean even the owner of Geekbench didn’t realise it till the Reddit thread on it, then they looked and realised the results they had proved it.
 
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I wouldn't say every phone, I haven't had this with any Android phone I have owned, so I disagree that every phone has this issue.

I should rephrase. Phones shutting down isn't unique to iPhones, it happens on other devices as well.
 
This happens to every single Android phone also once the battery gets old enough. As I said, you likely just haven't had a phone with a battery more than 1 year or 1000 charging cycles old, at which point you start to see the degradation.

Tell me how to get 1000 charging cylces in one year.
We get that these batterys degrade over time, but not like it happened with the iPhone after a year or two. Never saw a galaxy shut off at 30%.
 
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Every phone has the issue of unexpected shutdowns so this isn't unique to iPhones.

UNTRUE. No other phone has this issue because all other engineers designed the system to still work after the battery aged.

Trying to lump this into other types of 'software needs a reboot' problems misses the entire issue at hand.
 
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you say that but they still managed to hide it for over a year. I mean even the owner of Geekbench didn’t realise it till the Reddit thread on it, then they looked and realised the results they had proved it.
It would be a conspiracy of historic proportions, which maybe it was, but since Apple has been accused of this for years, before apparently having done it, it seems either completely suicidal or just inept. I tend toward the latter, a dumb mistake, but who knows. Maybe Apple is so awash with cash it thinks it can do anything.
 
Somewhat overblown. Every phone has the issue of unexpected shutdowns so this isn't unique to iPhones. How the issue was handled is what people are/should be complaining about, which is Apple not being transparent enough.
I would somewhat agree about other phones. I've had my old Note 4, Note Edge and Nexus 4 all shut down, usually around 20% or below. I haven't had the problem happen on my Note 8, S8+, Note 5, 6S+, 6S, 7+ and 6+ or 2 SEs.
 
Meh. Way overblown criticism on something that improves the iPhone experience.

Thankfully the noise around this seems to be getting to normal levels.
 
Somewhat overblown. Every phone has the issue of unexpected shutdowns so this isn't unique to iPhones. How the issue was handled is what people are/should be complaining about, which is Apple not being transparent enough.

I wholeheartedly believe people would rather have a slow phone than a phone that shuts down unexpectedly, but people need to know why this is happening. They also need to know that replacing the battery will bring performance back to normal levels.
Many people with completely OK phones not experiencing ANY restarts started noticing significant performance hit after that BS update. I personally know some of those. What is so overblown on this? Would you really believe all those typical Apple "PR" explanations if you experience the same?
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Meh. Way overblown criticism on something that improves the iPhone experience.

Thankfully the noise around this seems to be getting to normal levels.
:rolleyes: sure, they have improved perf. of many older devices not experiencing any restarts by quite significant performance decrease after that crappy update. Looks like some here would not believe even if they are amongst those affected .. because Apple always tells the truth :D
 
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This is the kind of thing I'm evaluating before going back to iPhone. All phones slow down with new OS updates, my Nexus 6 was nuked by 7.1.1. But with the premium pricing that Apple charges, it makes these kinds of issues worse in my opinion. I have a $360 G6, for example, right now. It's going to do stuff also, but at a much lower price I can move on more easily. Apple needs to be more perfect to justify $750+.
Thanks for that reply! You're the first person I've heard to complain about an update wrecking their Android phone (I don't visit the Android sites so I have no reference). The mantra is to not update an iPhone past two iOS iterations. I was force to update my work iPhone 6 to iOS 11 for security reasons. I totally agree with you though, makes me not want to buy another iPhone when they are so expensive. I will say that iOS barely changes, and I can pick up my other Apple devices that I haven't updated (iPod on iOS9, another iPhone 6 on iOS 10, iPads on other iOSes), and I'm not missing any features of the newer operating systems. Only problems are lack of security updates and some apps won't work on older OSes. My iPhone X won't be updated past iOS 11!
 
I wouldn't say every phone, I haven't had this with any Android phone I have owned, so I disagree that every phone has this issue.

I haven't had this issue with any iPhone or Android phone I've owned, but the fact that one person does not experience a particular problem does not mean it does not exist.
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All phones slow down with new OS updates

This has been debunked a thousand times over.
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UNTRUE. No other phone has this issue because all other engineers designed the system to still work after the battery aged.

No, the other phones just catch fire and explode right out of the box.
 
I don't own an iPhone currently. Is the way this was handled a big issue for current owners, or is it a blip of a problem that's being overblown?
My phone works poorly because of this. Even scrolling thru instagram can be painful. And when i'm streaming music via Bluetooth, i must not use any other app since then the music will start stuttering. It sucks, big time.
 
No, the other phones just catch fire and explode right out of the box.

1 Samsung model was impacted by insufficient battery tolerances. :oops:

Meanwhile the iPhone 6, 6S, 7, 8, and X are impacted by insufficient battery tolerances. :oops::oops::oops::oops::oops:

I wonder how many other iPhones if they hadn't gotten caught.
 
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iOS 10.2.1, introduced on January 23, 2017, has become one of Apple's most infamous iOS updates as it marked the introduction of power management features that slow down older iPhones with degraded batteries.

Apple introduced the update, and designed the power management features, to fix unexpected shutdowns that were impacting iPhone 6 and 6s devices.

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When iOS 10.2.1 was first released in January of 2017, Apple made no mention that it addressed unexpected shutdowns, and the company did not bring up the issue again until a month later, in February of 2017. On February 23, Apple explained that the iOS 10.2.1 introduced "improvements to reduce occurrences of unexpected shutdowns."

In a recent inquiry, Senator John Thune, chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, asked Apple why there was a discrepancy between the time that the update was introduced and the time when Apple explained what was in the update, a question Apple answered today.

Apple says that iOS users were not immediately informed about the power management features in iOS 10.2.1 because it first needed to confirm that the update successfully solved the problem causing unexpected shutdowns. From Reuters' Stephen Nellis:Even after Apple provided details on iOS 10.2.1, customers did not know the full extent of how the power management features worked until December of 2017, which is why Apple has landed in hot water with customers and government officials around the world.

In addition to the inquiry from Senator Thule, Apple is also being investigated by the U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission to determine whether Apple violated security laws "concerning its disclosures" when it launched the iOS 10.2.1 update.

Apple is facing dozens of lawsuits over the issue, and the company is also dealing with inquiries in countries that include China, Italy, South Korea, France, and Brazil.

Article Link: Apple Explains Why Power Management Features Were Introduced in January 2017 But Not Disclosed Until February 2017
[doublepost=1517961577][/doublepost]Sorry but the article fails to mention a critical factor. Apple did not reveal this slow down until after third-party testers, responding to user complaints, tested and discovered its existence. And the argument they're giving now is a limp one. Having a fix for the battery shutdown problem, one would expect them to announce it when the upgrade was first released along with a message, "let us know if this does or does not solve your problem."

No, what Apple is saying simply fails to pass the smell test. And it's also easy to see why Apple executives tilted toward Hillary in Election 2016. When caught in something, she does much the same—throwing out one doubtful lie after another, hoping one will stick.

Given Apple's tracking of the impact of this slowdown, I wonder if they were also checking to see if those who got the slowdown were more or less likely to buy an new iPhone. You might call that "market research."
 
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I tout an SE and there's no slow-down. I have what I paid for.

I can see the argument that Apple was subtly trying to get people to abandon older phones by introducing this power management update without explaining that it's slowed phones down. However, since the cat's out of the bag, Apple has gone so far the other direction, offering low-cost batteries, allowing a toggle switch, that it seems to me unlikely that Apple was trying to do something nefarious. It didn't work, and they gave up pretty quickly. If a company is going to go to all that trouble to try to get people out of old phones, I don't think that it would offer such solutions that allow people to hold onto their phones now for perhaps a year or two later, with a $29 new battery.

Exactly. Apple was not trying to be malicious in any way. That's obvious to any reasonable (non-entitled) person. I've been following Apple for 30 years, and never have I sensed that they would deliberately force people to upgrade on purpose. In fact, they offer the longest product life and smoothest upgrade path (when needed) of the entire computer and phone industry.

I’ll tell you that this predicament is overblown in my case—I replaced the battery in my iPhone 6, and it is still slow as a turtle. It’s not the battery, but rather the craptastic iOS 11 that has ruined the phone, and I have no way to go back to iOS 10. My only recourse is to get a new phone. There’s your real story.

My gf's 6S is not slow at all. Many factors influence a device's performance.

EXACTLY. This is NOT overblown. Everyone on this forum damn well knows how much Apple loves to tout its chip speeds in its advertising. The fact that Apple deliberately slowed down those same chips UNBEKNOWNST TO THE USER to ALLEGEDLY make up for bad battery life is a really, really big deal. Especially since the decision was more likely to increase iPhone sales via planned obsolescence.

It's not "overblown" just because you don't think it's that big of a deal.

I agree that Apple made one big mistake that has backfired on them — battery tech is not matching with the power of today's CPUs and everything that an iPhone can do. Battery tech needs to improve — no doubt about that.

What is overblown is the *thinking* that Apple was somehow being deceptive and manipulative. That's just silly.
 
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I don't own an iPhone currently. Is the way this was handled a big issue for current owners, or is it a blip of a problem that's being overblown?

Way overblown, my wife has a iPhone 6 with a real bad battery after 3 years heavy usage, we replaced the battery one month before this news came out and she is not seeing any difference in speed with the new battery.
 
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